- 05/14/2012, 02:34AM ET
Marlins Fan said 05/14, 02:34 AM
For anyone who doesn't get the topic, while this isn't a move that's necessarily going to happen in real life there has been quite a bit of recent speculation concerning FSU possibly leaving the ACC to join the Big 12.
I believe it would be the right move for Slorida State University.
For one thing it would be financially profitable. Due to the TV contracts of the respective conferences FSU would stand to make millions of additional dollars each year off TV rights alone.
For another thing it would further legitamize both the Big 12 and the FSU football program, which would obviously be beneficial for the school (and conference) in terms of recruiting. The Big 12 would have a major foothold in both FL and TX, two of the world's biggest and best football factories.
The Big 12 only has 10 schools. Rumor has it that Miami would follow FSU to the Big 12, which would give the Big 12 a total of 12 teams as well as maintain the FSU/Miami rivalry.
The ACC doesn't have much to offer FSU (besides it's basketball teams) and there isn't a good reason for FSU to stay in the conference but as we all know... football is king.
FSU should move to the Big 12.
GoatHCW said 05/14, 03:41 PM
Here's why I don't see Florida State leaving the ACC nor think it's a good idea.
ACC payout per team : 17 million
Big 12 payout per team : 20 million
ACC buyout to leave conference : 20 million
Florida St athletic department announced last week they are facing a 2.4 million dollar shortfall on their 2012/2013 budget.
So FSU athletics are already facing money issues and now they should pay a 20 million dollar buyout to increase their pay by 3 million a year? It would take them 5 years just to break even from the ACC buyout. Then when you factor in travel expenses it's even worse.
Florida State had a representative present in the current TV rights negotiations last week and signed off on the deal. If they felt 17 million wasn't enough then why agree to it a week earlier?
If Florida St wanted more money in the deal then maybe Florida State should have competed at a high level this last decade. Instead they have turned into an above average football team along with Miami. If those two teams could have maintained their prestige from the 90's then I'm sure the ACC could have gotten more money out of the deal with ESPN.
I'll argue more of the football side next
Marlins Fan said 05/14, 11:50 PM
You're thinking short term instead of seeing the bigger picture.
The fact that FSU is facing a budget shortfall is exactly why the move to the Big 12 makes a lot of sense. Sure, it wouldn't be cost effective in the short term, as FSU would have to buy their way out of the ACC. However, the additional 3 million FSU would receive annually because of the TV rights would quickly pay off the transfer fee and set the University up long term for financial success.
FSU is currently operating in the red; they're losing money. There is no short term fix; however the move to the Big 12 would be a permanent solution to help FSU get back in the black. It's just basic economics. FSU would have to take a hit right now to secure a financially stable future.
And TV rights are only the tip of the iceberg.
A move to the Big 12 would also bring in money through other avenues; for example, playing in the Big 12 would give FSU an additional recruiting pitch. It gives FSU better conference games. It also gives FSU access to a hot-bed (TX, OK) of primo prospects.
Those factors would bring success on the field, which would bring money.
GoatHCW said 05/15, 10:52 AM
Another important hypothetical scenario is Notre Dame.
People have been speculating for some time now that Notre Dame is going to have to eventually pick a conference and the only one that makes sense (according to all the experts) is the ACC.
If the ACC is the eventual home of Notre Dame then they will add either Rutgers or UConn to get to 16 teams and they can renegotiate their TV deal. You know as well as I do that if the ACC adds Notre Dame they will be able to bring in much more then the current Big 12 deal.
Of course this is all hypothetical but so is the debated topic.
As for the football side I don't see what games will bring excitement to Tallahassee outside of Texas and Oklahoma. I don't see many Florida people taking road trips to Lawrence, Kansas or Lubbock, TX.
Florida State hasn't won a ACC championship since 2005 so there's no guarantee that they can even hang in the Big 12. They could go in and be the 4th best team. If they think it's tough playing Clemson and Virginia Tech every year imagine playing Texas and Oklahoma.
Also a lot of FSU football people complain that the ACC favors the Carolina schools, Big 12 with Texas is MUCH worse.
Marlins Fan said 05/16, 12:29 AM
Not that geography matters much as far as conference alignment goes, but ND going to the ACC wouldn't make a whole lot of sense, geographically. Wouldn't make sense in terms of rivalry, either, since ND's biggest current rival is USC. That said, I don't see ND ever going to a conference. They have a sweet TV deal right now and it'd be dumb giving it up, and again it would cause unfavorable schedule changes.
You mentioned the lack of big games for FSU if they join the Big 12, but in the proposed deal that would include Miami any schedule change that would include Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas and Texas Tech would me a huge upgrade over ACC conference games. It's really not even close.
Either way... the move would bring FSU much prestige and would certainly help with recruiting, which would certainly go a long way toward restoring FSU's prominence on the National scene.
Again, it comes down to money, and FSU has a lot to gain financially by moving to the Big 12. Conversely, the football program doesn't have any strong reason to stay in the ACC., particularly if Miami followed the 'Noles to the Big 12.
Money talks and the Big 12 is the right call.
GoatHCW said 05/16, 08:22 AM
Interesting notes from the FSU president Monday night
* Colorado, Missouri, Nebraska and Texas A&M left the Big 12, at least in part because the Big 12 is not an equal share conference. Texas has considerably more resource avenues and gains a larger share. So, when fans realize that Texas would get more dollars than FSU, always having a competitive advantage, it would be interesting to see the fan reaction.
* Much is being made of the extra $2.9M that the Big 12 contract (which hasn't been inked yet) gets over the ACC contract. Given that the Texas schools are expected to play each other (the Big 12 is at least as Texas centered than the ACC is North Carolina centered), the most likely scenario has FSU playing Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State, and West Virginia on a recurring basis and the other teams sporadically, we realize that our sports teams can no longer travel by bus to most games - the estimate is that the travel by plane required by FSU to be in the Big 12
* The faculty are adamantly opposed to joining a league that is academically weaker
FSU will NOT join B12
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