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  • 05/14/2012, 11:05PM ET

Darren Woodson should be in the NFL Hall Of Fame

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Woodson was the captain, leader, and best player of the 90's Cowboys defenses. During his ten years, the Cowboyw D was ranked in the top five 7 times, 4 at number 1 overall. He was a five time pro bowler and 3 time first team all pro during the 90's. Oh yeah...they won 3 super bowls too.... Only Leroy Butler has the same kinds of accolades during the 90's (4 time pro-bwl and 4 time first team all-pro), but Leroy did not have the playoff stats that Darren had, and his teams were not as highly ranked defensively.
The argument for best safety of the 90's usually comes down to one of 3....Darren, Steve Atwater, or Leroy Butler
Atwater had a remarkable 8 pro bowls during the period, but only 2 all-pro selections, and again, not the same playoff success or defensive rankings that Darren had.
The bottom line is this: Woodson led a defense that won more super bowls, was more highly ranked, and won more playoff games than any other in his era. He is regarded by his fellow players on those teams as the best defensive player on those teams.
What else does a guy need to do to get HOF consideration?


Woodson had a solid career, but he should not be in the HoF.

As is, the NFL HoF does not admit many safeties. Only seven safeties are in the HoF. Since 1960, 11 safeties from the all-decade teams that the NFL releases (whom are eligible) have not made the HoF. There are more and more good safeties who are retiring (Harrison and Dawkins for example) or still playing even. Simply put, the NFL has plenty of talented safeties whom are all fairly similar with their resumes, but fall short of the HoF. Why boost Woodson in over them?

Woodson was in the debate for the best safety of the 90s, but that itself is a hinderance. A real argument could be made that he is third in the group you mentioned. When I think of the HoF, I think of dominant players who stood out from their competition. Woodson simply doesn't fit that bill. He couldn't seperate himself from others at his position during his playing career, so why should he be enshrined in Canton?

Arguing if the NFL should look at including more safeties is one debate. Because they don't, and because of how many simply equal or better options there are compared to Woodson, he doesn't deserve to be enshrined.


So your argument is that because there are other talented players at his position, he shouldn't be in the HOF? It seems to me that you could use that argument to keep every player out of the HOF.
Emmitt Smith, Barry Sanders, and Marshall Faulk all played at the same time. You can debate who was the best. Why elevate one above the other two? By your logic, none of them should be in the HOF, but guess what? ALL of them are in. That's how you handle great players. You don't keep them out because there were other great players at the same time
If you want to say that there are more deserving players yet to get in, you might have a stronger argument. Maybe that spot should be taken by say....Chris Carter this year. I wouldn't argue against it. My only argument is that Woodson accoplished more than any other Safety during the 90's and deserves to be in at some point. Remember, the HOF is not about talent, it's about accomplishment, and even more so, it's about accomplishment compared to the players of your era. Woodson certainly qualifies based on that.


No, my argument is that there are MORE talented players at his position whom STILL haven't gotten in, and that's why he doesn't deserve it.

The players whom play safety that make it to the HoF were absolutely considered the best of their time. They stood out from their competition, and made the HoF take notice. Woodson wasn't the best safety during his own career, so why should he be elevated above the countless deserving players and enshrined? You cannot. The system dictates that the best of the best safeties get in. Woodson is simply not that, and there's no way you can argue he is if he cannot separate himself from even the safeties he played against.

Also, there's no backing to your claims that Woodson led the defense. Sure, he was an effective players and contributed, but he wasn't the leader and I cannot find any sources supporting your claim. Nobody thought he was the leader, so I don't know why you do.

Super Bowl rings are nice, but they aren't enough to warrant inclusion in the HoF. You need to be better than your competition at the position. Woodson wasn't, and the harsh truth is he shouldn't be included in the HoF as is.


Actually, Woodson WAS better than his contemporaries. You're opinion doesn't change that. Let's see if I can dig up some of the things that you say you just can't find after I am sure an exhastive search:
Woodson is the Cowboys All-Time leading tackler, and The 'boys have had more than a few great defensive players.
DW was recognized as the best at his position at least 3 years in a row during the 90's. Forget the pro bowls...that's a beauty contest.
DW was captain of the defense and the signal caller on the field for the best defense of the 90's.
Dallas didn't use a third CB to cover the slot, because DW was also the best cover guy in the secondary. People often forget the amazing athletic talent DW had (a 4.35 guy at 6'2 225 lbs)
Playing alongside Woodson made Roy Williams a perennial pro bowler.
Dallas' defense was at or near the top every year until DW left. Explain that without him.
Again, I'm not saying Darren is a shoe-in, just that the best player, and the team captain, and the defensive qb, of the best defense of his era, and 3 time super bowl team, should be in at some point.


I'm Ogre. Stormy is correct. I wanted to TD without a name stigma (we all know it exists) and created Solo. the TDing system is, and has been for a long time, broken. Solo was an attempt at a remedy back when I visited this site more. Since I checked in and wanted to TD again, I reactiviated it.

heck votes, do whatever you want, but this account has only ever done TDs and comments. Never voted in any TD on FN, and I've absolutely never voted with Ogre in one of its TDs. This is the only other account I have ever had.

Beleive me or not, who cares. Stormy seemed intent on "outing" me, so I'm just going to save him the breathe and admit it.

Wondering why I did it, feel free to message Ogre. I'm not even going to bother to carry on this TD because the entire purpose of this account is gone up in smoke. My fault for admitting it was me and expecting people to not out me if I ever decided to TD with it.

Take this however you want. I just felt the need to clear the air, and officially remove all rumors and concerns. Solo's done because his mission is no longer possible.

Oh by the way, Woodson isn't a HoFer. Sorry to any Dallas fan thinking otherwise.

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May 15, 2012  02:29 AM ET

I don't think Woodson led the Dallas Defense but he does deserve entry into the HOF IMO.

May 15, 2012  06:05 AM ET

Oh yeah...they won 3 super bowls too....


Why don't you just put every player who was on their roster from 1992 - 1995 into the the Hall of Fame? They all have three Super Bowl rings.

May 15, 2012  09:07 AM ET

You're talking about the top rated defense of the decade, and a defense that won three super bowls. Woodson was the only player to captain that defense for that entire time period, and was recognized by the other players not only as the leader of the defense, the qb of the defense if you like, but also as it's best player. Your argument makes no sense. You take one statement out of an entire argument and ignore everything else. If that were the ONLY reason I gave, then you might have a point.

May 15, 2012  09:16 AM ET
QUOTE(#4):

You're talking about the top rated defense of the decade, and a defense that won three super bowls. Woodson was the only player to captain that defense for that entire time period, and was recognized by the other players not only as the leader of the defense, the qb of the defense if you like, but also as it's best player.

Ummm...Woodson was NOT the best player on the defense of those Super Bowl teams nor was he "recognized as the leader" both of those distinctions belong to a man who absolutely, positively belongs in the Hall before Darren does (and I'm not saying there isn't a case to be made for Woody)

That man is Charles Haley and it's not debatable. It's not a coincidence that Haley is the only player in NFL history with 5 Super Bowl rings.

May 15, 2012  09:27 AM ET
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Why don't you just put every player who was on their roster from 1992 - 1995 into the the Hall of Fame? They all have three Super Bowl rings.

That's pretty much what they did with the Steelers of the 70's...

May 15, 2012  09:42 AM ET
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Ummm...Woodson was NOT the best player on the defense of those Super Bowl teams nor was he "recognized as the leader" both of those distinctions belong to a man who absolutely, positively belongs in the Hall before Darren does (and I'm not saying there isn't a case to be made for Woody)That man is Charles Haley and it's not debatable. It's not a coincidence that Haley is the only player in NFL history with 5 Super Bowl rings.

Again, I'm only going by what the players said, I wasn't actually on the team, so I have to take them at thier word.
And absolutely, Charles is a HOF guy. Before Darren, ok. That doesn't keep Darren out.

May 15, 2012  09:47 AM ET

and Charles was not the "leader" of that defense. By player accounts he was obnoxious, slightly ****, and tolerated only because of hs talent. Sort of a Terrell Owens type.

May 15, 2012  10:09 AM ET
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Again, I'm only going by what the players said, I wasn't actually on the team, so I have to take them at thier word.And absolutely, Charles is a HOF guy. Before Darren, ok. That doesn't keep Darren out.

Ok, I get it...you make stuff up out of your **** to make an argument then claim you are "taking them at their word".

How about we take the word of Troy Aikman? You know...that "leader" you claim ran the team after kicking Switzer to the curb:

???I???ve been very outspoken as far as his candidacy and how much I think he belongs,??? Aikman said on KTCK, via the Dallas Morning News. ???If there???s a defensive player in the [Hall of Fame], I think Charles Haley should be in the [Hall of Fame], and I???ll leave it at that. Because as a teammate, he was a great player.???

Oh..it gets even better than THAT:

???When you go back and you look at the teams that won those five Super Bowls, he was a big part of those teams that won those five Super Bowls,??? Aikman said. ???That???s meaningful to me. And having had him on my team for three of them, I???m not so sure we would???ve won any of them if it weren???t for him. I???m pretty adamant about the fact that I believe he deserves to be in and I???m pretty disappointed that it hasn???t happened.???

So, lessee...Aikman didn't even stop at "Haley was the best defensive player on the team". He went MUCH further. Going so far as to say if ANY defensive player is in the Hall then Charles belongs there...AND...he's not sure the team would have won ANY of those Super Bowls without Haley.

That a strong enough endorsement for ya, or are you going to back off of your "Aikman ran those teams" claim?

May 15, 2012  10:11 AM ET
QUOTE(#7):

Again, I'm only going by what the players said, I wasn't actually on the team, so I have to take them at thier word.And absolutely, Charles is a HOF guy. Before Darren, ok. That doesn't keep Darren out.

Ok, I get it...you make stuff up out of your **** to make an argument then claim you are "taking them at their word".

How about we take the word of Troy Aikman? You know...that "leader" you claim ran the team after kicking Switzer to the curb:

???I???ve been very outspoken as far as his candidacy and how much I think he belongs,??? Aikman said on KTCK, via the Dallas Morning News. ???If there???s a defensive player in the [Hall of Fame], I think Charles Haley should be in the [Hall of Fame], and I???ll leave it at that. Because as a teammate, he was a great player.???

Oh..it gets even better than THAT:

???When you go back and you look at the teams that won those five Super Bowls, he was a big part of those teams that won those five Super Bowls,??? Aikman said. ???That???s meaningful to me. And having had him on my team for three of them, I???m not so sure we would???ve won any of them if it weren???t for him. I???m pretty adamant about the fact that I believe he deserves to be in and I???m pretty disappointed that it hasn???t happened.???

So, lessee...Aikman didn't even stop at "Haley was the best defensive player on the team". He went MUCH further. Going so far as to say if ANY defensive player is in the Hall then Charles belongs there...AND...he's not sure the team would have won ANY of those Super Bowls without Haley.

That a strong enough endorsement for ya, or are you going to back off of your "Aikman ran those teams" claim?

May 15, 2012  10:12 AM ET
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and Charles was not the "leader" of that defense. By player accounts he was obnoxious, slightly ****, and tolerated only because of hs talent. Sort of a Terrell Owens type.

For a Cowboys fan, you sure don't know much about them. Haley's "obnoxious" attitude was from his last season in San Fran and involved a contract dispute. In Dallas he was the most outspoken LEADER of the defense.

If you want to cry about players with surly attitudes at contract time, look no further than one Emmitt Smith and get back to me.

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May 15, 2012  10:37 AM ET
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That's pretty much what they did with the Steelers of the 70's...

Joe Greene......overrated

Mel Blount........average at best

Jack Lambert....Too ugly to be good

Jack Ham...........Another crappy PSU LB

Mike Webster.....One word..Juiced

Swann & Stalworth....lucky catches in the SB's

Franco Harris...........Please...

Terry Bradshaw.........Too stupid to be in the HOF (To this day i can't believe Chuck Noll gave him the OK to call all of his own plays)

Chuck Noll.....see Terry Bradshaw

May 15, 2012  11:09 AM ET

Has he even made it on the Cowboys Ring of Honor?

May 15, 2012  11:28 AM ET
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Has he even made it on the Cowboys Ring of Honor?

Nope, and he likely won't, either. The Cowboys ROH is more exclusive than the HoF is, though. There are Cowboys players in the Hall that aren't in the Ring.

May 15, 2012  11:36 AM ET

Haley, Allen, and the triplets are in the ROH and Jerry Jones has been pretty adamant that no other players from the 90s teams will be inducted any time soon. I happen to agree with that stance.

May 15, 2012  11:41 AM ET

Woodson was a great player. One of the greatest? Doubtful. If you ever listen to the voters, they look at the HoF and inductees as this. Can you write the history of Football without talking about him? Woodson's an afterthought as that goes. Consider the players (because they don't go in by position) that still haven't made it. And, yes, Haley should be near the very top of that list of shoulds.

May 15, 2012  11:42 AM ET
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Haley, Allen, and the triplets are in the ROH and Jerry Jones has been pretty adamant that no other players from the 90s teams will be inducted any time soon. I happen to agree with that stance.

Although, I'd like Moose to get some credit at some point. Emmit wouldn't be the player he was without Moose.

 
May 15, 2012  11:43 AM ET
QUOTE(#14):

Terry Bradshaw.........Too stupid to be in the HOF

Bradshaw couldn't spell Cat if you spotted him the C and the A

--Thomas 'Hollywood' Henderson

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