- 05/20/2012, 09:55PM ET
:CubanMissile: said 05/20, 09:55 PM
Now given any possibility of a postseason appearance or a shot at a title you root for your team, no matter how small of a window of hope you have. However, once that window is closed it is OK for fans to root against their team. I'm not saying that they should root against the team, but that it is acceptable and does not make them bad fans.
As fans you are invested in the team, you want the best for them. You want the team to win it all. Once you know any hope of that happening this season is gone, you start to look to the future. Losing meaningless games in the current season, can help big in the future.
The draft is one of the quickest ways to turn around a team. Moving up just a few spots can open up various options when it comes to adding talent. A higher draft spot gives you more talent to choose from and can provide better leverage for trading.
Losing can bring needed changes to a franchise. Sometimes your teams win just enough to keep the squad and coaches unchanged; so rather then see something new the following year you're stuck watching the same thing unfold again.
You are rooting for the team to lose not due to hate but for hope for the future.
HomertheGreek said 05/20, 11:21 PM
One that is a fan is not a fan if he or she EVER roots against "their" team.
You confused me with your opening paragraph. First, you say "it is OK for fans to root against their team," followed up with "I'm not saying that they should root against the team, but that it is acceptable." Seems like you like both sides of the issue.
The issue here is really if a fan should give up on their team because the team won't make the post season, and hope to lose to get higher draft pick.
I find it ludicrous to think that an actual fan can sit on his couch, munch away on potato chips, and pound one bud light after another, to cheer for a loss. So, you're telling me that when your QB gets sacked, and your linemen get run over, you cheer for that? That's not what a real fan would condone.
Yes, the draft is a big deal. Believe me when I say that the key to the draft is not having higher picks, but having great scouts, and picking the right players.
Losing only agitates a fan base and players even more. How does losing bring "hope for the future" when there are so many busts drafted each year?
Teams that lose won't attract as many quality free agents.
:CubanMissile: said 05/20, 11:51 PM
I'm not saying you have to root for your team to lose, but it is perfectly acceptable to do so once eliminated from any postseason.
You can have the best scouts in the world, but if the guy you want or need is off the boards it doesn't matter. Of course the front office is going to play a role in how your team turns out, but when you have a higher draft pick their are more options. Better to have the option of choosing Durant or Oden; then to pick later and never have the chance to take KD.
If your team is losing theirs a good chance that the front office didn't exactly do a great job of assembling a team. While an 8-8 record may not be good enough for the postseason, it may be good enough to save your GM's job and then you have to go another year of bad picks and missed postseason before you finally see change.
Mediocrity often leads to settling. Sometimes you really need to stink it up for someone in management to take notice and be willing to make big changes.
Free agents often go where the money is and to the big cities, most of the time the winning teams don't have the financial flexibility nor need to sign the major players.
HomertheGreek said 05/21, 12:51 AM
It is never acceptable to root against your team, whether they're a playoff team or not. You stand by your team when the times are good, and when times are bad. You're saying that when times are bad, make them worse by cheering for your team to lose? I don't like this thinking at all by someone calling himself a "fan."
You bring up basketball with Oden and Durant, yet failed to disclose that those were all lottery picks, where order of picks were determined by ping pong balls. So, in hindsight, the Blazers and Sonics picks came by virtue of how the ping pong balls played out, not how many losses each team had.
Not liking your third paragraph. Bad picks? Bad picks aren't the number you select, but WHO you select. And remember, if there's a guy that a team really wants, there's something called trading to move up or even down spots.
No one is saying stay mediocre. How is wanting to win the final game that much different then losing the final game?
You grab the top free agents by winning, and not tanking games.
Too much emphasis with the draft and positioning, when so many guys end up busts from the first round. Cheer for a win, not a loss.
:CubanMissile: said 05/22, 09:05 PM
Being a fan is more then just cheering for your team. Its OK to judge them; it means you are invested. It whats separates you from the clueless "fan" (typically female) who couldn't name more then 3 guys on the team, and doesn't quite know the rules or when to cheer.
The first round of the NFL draft averaged 6.6 million viewers. Point is people care. We are fans, we don't play in the game. If i was a player or coach i would want to win, but as a fan what do i get out of winning once i know a playoff spot it gone?
Losing can help an organization get much needed change. The draft keeps fans excited, as does a new coach or GM, they can turn a terrible team into a dynasty with one great pick.
Of course the picks could be busts, but until they are they are hope. Every fan or GM would prefer to pick higher. Ask anyone if they would rather have the #1 pick or win just enough to not make the playoffs and i think the results would lean one way. You're a fan you don't do the picking, its not like the way you cheer is actually going to cause a different outcome.
Wanting you team to lose is more about an acceptable reaction for a true fan who believes it is the best way to help
HomertheGreek said 05/23, 01:52 AM
You talk about being invested in your team, but how does it help your emotional investment with the team by booing and hoping for another lose? It just brings more pain with the team you root for in any sport.
The NFL draft averages so many viewers because the NFL is very good at marketing and hyping the event. That doesn't make it right for a team to lose in the first place, and plus each team is granted a first round pick in each draft.
Picks, Picks, Picks. Ugh!!!
I'm going to stop the draft talk, because it has become very repetitive.
The other part of the argument is whether a fan should just stop rooting for your team if hopes a going to the playoffs are gone.
My thing is that many teams, particularly baseball and football, don't get into postseason plays year after year. What's the point of being a fan of a team if you end up rooting against them to win the few games they will end up winning that season?
it just brings a lot more misery by losing each year.
i think of a real fan as someone who roots for their team when they're division champs, and when they are last in the division. Playoffs? Playoffs? Cheer for your team if they're in or out.
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