- 05/31/2012, 02:25PM ET
7#bag _ Com said 05/31, 02:25 PM
The Lakers as presently constructed, cannot contend.
Kobe is untradeable, from both a legacy and finacial standpoint.
The only choice is to dump Gasol and/or Bynum.
If dumping 1. Who do you keep?
I'm keeping Gasol.
He's a better passer, is clutch, and is used to Kobe and LA.
He's not going to take a three just cause he feels like it. He's a number 2, and with Kobe's mindset, that's what they need.
Hyped78 said 05/31, 02:55 PM
This isn't an easy decision for the Lakers.
It is as important and critical as it is a tough one.
I would keep Bynum instead of Gasol.
Because he is younger, with Gasol turning 32 in little over a month, Bynum turning 25 later in the year.
So the margin of progression is still there for Bynum, for Gasol it isn't.
Also because it feels like the end of the road for Gasol. Pre-season trade rumors and movements that eventually didn't pan out brought instability to the squad, then Kobe criticizing him somewhat in the playoffs, the image that he carries of being "soft", and probably the lack of overall motivation.
It is also important to notice that Gasol has the larger of the 2 contracts ($18.7 million vs $15 million, 3 years vs 2 years), so you always look to dump the largest and longest contract, if it comes down to that.
If you look at stats for both guys, it's clear that Bynum did have a career year in scoring (with more minutes, to be fair), while Gasol saw his scoring decline.
And Bynum's progression did show if you saw him play this season, in terms of expanded low post moves.
7#bag _ Com said 06/01, 10:32 AM
Of course Gasol's production slid, being a solid #2, he let Bynum get his shots.
Per 36 minutes, his Rebounds went up, his assists went up thats what a balanced player does.
Next lets look at durability.
Over his 4 year span in LA, Gasol has missed more than 1 game a grand total of ONE season. He's missed a game in 2 more years and played every game last year.
Bynum on the other hand, has played 392 games in 7 years. I'll let you do the math.
the ONLY season where he's played more than 65 games is when they limited his minutes to 21 per game.
21 minutes a game Hyped. Thats not a Number 2 guy.
How are you going to be the Python to Kobe's Black Mamba playing less than a half a game or risking getting crippled?
Kobe just LOVES it when guys can't get off the bench.
Next this is the first time in his career that Bynum has gone over 15 points per game. Can he keep it up? Can he get better? Gasol has MULTIPLE 20 point seasons.
Kobe's good for 2-3 years, enough to pass Kareem's record. By that time, Gasol's contract will be over as well. The Lakers can begin again.
Bynum will be golfing with Oden by then
Hyped78 said 06/01, 02:31 PM
You're being unfair in the comparison.
You're using "4 years ago", when Gasol was at his prime.
Like I mentioned in the 1st argument, Gasol's best years are likely past him.
And you're looking at all 7 years of Bynum's career.
And yet, turning 25 later in the year, his peak years are still ahead.
Furthermore to the different contracts they have, I will compare them looking at this season alone. It's the latest we have to evaluate both, I think it's only fair.
Bynum was a 2012 All-Star. Gasol was not (well, Marc was, but Pau wasn't!).
Bynum played 60 out of 66 regular season games, and then all 12 playoff games.
Based on that, I think it's a little far fetched to use his health as a negative factor going forward.
In a season in which Gasol had more minutes than Bynum (did you know that?), Bynum had the best FG% between the two.
He also scored more.
And rebounded more.
Even committed less fouls!
I think it's clear why Bynum was picked as an All-Star and Gasol wasn't.
Now, if you also factor in their contracts and age, are you really going to keep Gasol and let Bynum go?
Not the best option.
7#bag _ Com said 06/04, 01:09 PM
Committed less fouls?
And they gave the MVP to Lebron. The ****
That's an awfully small sample size you are using to proclaim Bynum the Brett Favre of the NBA for the next decade.
Big guys, once broken, tend to grt broken more and more often.
The lakers would do well to sell HIGH on Bynum.
They can plain get more for him than they can Gasol from teams hungry for a centerpeice. Multiple players/icks the depleated team needs.
Bynum is not going to be at a higher selling point for a long time, and bad GMs have notoriously short memories.
Kobe only has maybe 3 years to get his title, Gasol has 3 years left. Flip Bynum for a starter, maybe even 2 and some bench help, or even for Howard. And then in 3 years use that MASSIVE cap room to rebuild. (Rubio/,Lamarcus?)
Kobe needs to win. Bynum simply isn't going to rip anyone apart to win. Kobe knows that. Its not going to be long before his attitude is going to make Kobe turn on him. And if he gets injured? Kiss a ring goodbye.
Gasol can handle Kobe's wrath and still win. Kepp Gasol
Hyped78 said 06/04, 02:25 PM
I mentioned that Bynum scored more, rebounded more and had more blocks than Gasol, while playing slightly less minutes, one was an all-star while the other wasn't... and you mention fouls?
I am not proclaiming Bynum as a force to be reckoned with for the next decade... but it's more likely than he'll be one than 32-year-old Gasol.
Ensuring the future of the franchise is going with the younger guy with the lighter contract.
As for injuries, you say that I'm using an "awfully small sample size", which is an entire season.
I'll just mention, then, that you might just be using an "awfully outdated sample", one that obviously fits the message that you're trying to get through.
The Lakers would do well to sell high on Bynum? Exactly the same goes for Gasol, while he's "still" 32 and not 35.
Look, maybe there are other ways to go for the Lakers, but seeing as though trading Kobe is off the radar, between the 2 big men, the one which offers a future for the franchise is Andrew Bynum.
Besides, I am sure Pau Gasol himself feels like he's not going to be in a Lakers jersey come next season.
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