- 06/03/2012, 04:05AM ET
J-Business said 06/03, 04:05 AM
If Dwight Howard goes to one of the LA teams, which team has a better chance at the title:
Lakers or Clippers?
I say the Lakers
First, presumably if Howard goes to either of those teams, the following trades would have to be made:
Griffin (other players for the cap) for Howard
Bynum for Howard
The Lakers would have a starting lineup of:
Off the bench would be MWP, Hill and Blake
Kobe is a bit older but he still was 2nd in scoring and Gasol would do great with a big man who can defend and also score
The team would be very strong on both offense and defense and both sides would complement each other
The Clippers would start
Foye, Young, Martin of the bench
This is a good team, but the problem is they still lack scoring. Chris Paul is great but the past playoffs have shown that he's not the one to take up the scoring slack.
Howard himself is good but has never averaged more than 23 pts a game
This is a good team, but in the playoffs, I think their lack of scoring options will hurt
Both teams would be good but the Lakers would have the offensive and defensive balance
Marlins Fan said 06/04, 01:58 AM
Your opening question asks which LA team has a better chance at a title with Howard. I don't see why a trade has to be made. Howard is a free agent after this upcoming season so to me this TD is be about "where will he sign as a free agent after the 2012-13 season" and that's how I intend to argue it because there are too many variables when discussing trades.
So to answer your question, Dwight Howard would be more likely to win a title if he signs with the Clippers instead of the Lakers.
The Clippers are a more talented team than the Lakers. Sure the Lakers have Kobe but next time we see him on the hardwood he will be in his 17th season. Then Gasol and Bynum... both very inconsistent, especially Gasol. And that's the core of your team, an aging Kobe, a talented but unfocused Bynum, and a shell of what used to be Pau Gasol. Even Howard can't guarantee success with that bunch.
And considering Kobe's age, the Lakers would have to win a championship SOON; like in the next two years, tops.
The Clippers have an extremely talented core in Chris Paul and Blake Griffin, but the biggest plus is due to their youth their window of championship-opportunity is MUCH larger.
J-Business said 06/04, 06:45 AM
Which is more practical?
The Clippers trade Griffin (and other salaries) for Howard now?
The Clippers sign Howard in 2013-14 along with having to extend Griffin's contract, and resign Chris Paul (contract ends in the 2012-13 season) along with the other role players?
A trade is the only feasible way to make this TD because it would be almost impossible for the Lakers or Clippers to sign Howard and keep their current star players
The trade scenarios I presented were realistic situations
The Howard for Bynum trade was widely rumored and this rumor still exists. In fact, if Howard is traded, this is one of the top locations
Although, the Howard for Griffin trade only existed in NBA Truth and Rumors section and other blogs, it's still very practical
Howard's still young and Griffin's young
Your suggestion that for the 2013-14 season, the Clippers will sign Howard, resign Griffin and also Chris Paul sounds like a Donald Sterling dream
In reality, they had a lockout last yr to prevent these scenarios from happening again.
So back to my original argument,
the Howard-Kobe-Gasol combo has a better chance than the Howard w/ the Clippers scenario
Marlins Fan said 06/04, 09:31 PM
It's hypothetical so I can't say which scenario is more practical. We're talking "what ifs" and I just don't see how to say which "what if" is less "what iffy".
Regarding cap space... the Heat proved that when a superstar wants to go somewhere specific, he will. Players can take less than the max to sign with the team of their choosing, and whether Howard does or not I don't know but for this TD I guess I'm assuming he will.
So we're left with rosters that look like this:
BN- Bynum, Barnes, World Peace, Hill, Blake
SF- Nick Young
BN- Caron Butler, Reggie Evans, K-Mart, Billups, Bledsoe, Mo Williams
The Lakers feature Kobe with Howard locking down the D and boards and a really good bench piece in Bynum. This team would have a year or two to win a title before Kobe hangs it up.
Th Clippers feature the ultimate floor general in Paul alongside Griffin, with Howard locking down the D and boards. The bench is much better, featuring savvy vets like K-Mart, Butler and Billups.
The Clips youth means their title-window is MUCH larger.
J-Business said 06/05, 03:22 AM
There's a difference between a "what if" scenario and one that's virtually impossible
You're trying to present a "scenario" in which the Lakers or Clippers can sign Howard and keep their current players after the next season
From the salary perspective, it's impossible
From a player perspective, it's highly unlikely that they'll have those same players in 2013-14.
It's a ridiculous scenario
Miami made the move before the lockout and the league has changed
If you want to make an impossible scenario, why not just suggest that Howard sign with the Heat for the veteran minimum
A trade is the only practical way to even look at this scenario
As far as the idea that the Clippers would never trade Griffin for Howard, that is insane.
Howard is 26
Griffin is 23
Howard averaged 20 pts, 14.5 rebs
Griffin 20 pts 11 rebs
Howard's a 6 time All-Star, All-NBA and 3 time def player of the yr.
So yes, the Clippers would have to consider it
the Lakers trading for Howard and pairing him with Kobe gives the Lakers a better chance at winning a title than Howard w/ Paul and the Clippers
A realistic "what if" that can possibly happen
Marlins Fan said 06/05, 11:03 PM
No way Griffin and Howard are equal talents. They score the same amount of points per game but Howard kills him on rebounding and defensively speaking it's not even a little bit close. Griffin is a liability on defense and Howard is arguably the game's best big man defender. The one-for-one trade wouldn't happen any more than the Clippers finding the csh to outright sign Howard. Enough about that.
Like I keep saying both the LA teams are talented. However, the Clippers are undeniably deeper than the Lakers, and the Clippers have the added benefit of youth.
Say Howard went to the Lakers before the start of the 2012-13 season. Kobe's in year 17 and Artest and Gasol are another year older. How many years can the Lakers expect to compete with that core? One? Two, at best? The chances of the Lakers winning a title with Howard and their current roster are slim.
But if Howard goes to the Clippers that would mean a core of Griffin, Paul and Howard. Chris Paul would be the elder statesman, at 27. That means the Clippers would have about a decade to win a title.
With Dwight Howard, the Clippers would have much better odds at winning a title than would the Lakers.
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