- 06/05/2012, 11:46AM ET
Doc Simps said 06/05, 11:46 AM
Kobe Bryant's work ethic makes him the nest player in the NBA. He has a positive impact on everything and anyone, oncourt and offcourt. Kobe is 33 years old and his body is still at peak performance, averaging almost 30 ppg at his age is rare, only few have done that. He constantly challeneges his team in every facet. Kobe excels at everything on the court he can shoot, post up, play defense, rebound. He does it all, and he still is the leagues best closer.
Hyped78 said 06/05, 12:06 PM
Kobe is still one of the top players in the NBA, no doubt about that.
But I don't think you can still call him #1.
I saw a more selfish Kobe Bryant this season.
And while this may draw negative reactions, the truth is that he had more minutes this year than last season, while posting one of the worst FG% seasons of his career.
He shot 43%. You'll have to go back to 1997-98 to see him shoot that low.
And with 3.52 turnovers per game, he had one of his worst seasons in that category. Plainly speaking: he did more errors that what he usually does.
And these were regular season tendencies which also carried through the playoffs.
While Kobe is still one of the best - I am emphasizing that again - I would argue the likes of LeBron James (MVP) and Kevin Durant (scoring champion) over him right now.
Perhaps (perhaps!) even Chris Paul, even though Paul plays at a different position, which makes comparison a harder task.
Doc Simps said 06/05, 12:19 PM
I agree with you on the fact that Kobe posted one of his lowest FG%. But Kobe was the more consistent player on his team, unlike others that didn't show up to play. That's why he had to put up more shots than normal. More games were won this year because Kobe put up more shots.
The only reason Kobe had that many turnovers per game is because his big men have NO HANDS!
Lebron has been in the league for a while now and still hasn't developed a constant mid-range game, and Lebron is a terrible closer, fans don't remember what happened in the previous three quarters only what you can do in the 4th to win basketball games. Dwayne Wade is a better closer than Lebron.
Kevin Durant, in my opinion is better than Lebron he has a far better work ethic and is a better leader than Lebron, but Durant lacks foot work, a post game(he's 6'10", he already creates mismatches).
Kobe Bryant is a leader he will praise you if you do something right, but he will get in your butt if you mess up. His impact oncourt is far greater than Lebron and Durant. Kobe has matured into a better decision maker. He knows when he's on, and he knows when to get his team involved,when they showed up for games
Hyped78 said 06/06, 04:05 AM
Of course you agree that Kobe had one of his lowest FG% ever. That's a fact!
To say that Kobe played worse because of his teammates is a bit simplistic. It's not like he doesn't have quality players playing besides him.
No, what happened is that - while still being a tremendous player - he went back to his ball hogging ways.
The same ways he had before winning his last rings. The ways he abandoned in those championship years, becoming more unselfish and getting his teammates involved.
Not so much this year.
Don't use the other players to justify why Kobe's shortcomings.
While he is indeed a leader, truth of the matter is that Kobe did some whining this season, and that included the playoffs.
Check yourself before you check others. He didn't do that.
Both LeBron and Durant had more MVP votes than Kobe, with LBJ winning the award.
And the difference in FG% is telling: Kobe had 43%, Durant had 49,6%, LeBron 53%.
In these Playoffs - and bear in mind LeBron and Durant are still playing - Kobe shot 44%, Durant 50%, LeBron 50%.
Forget the hate that some players generate and realize that Kobe is still up there, but he's not #1.
Doc Simps said 06/06, 09:29 AM
Ok, let's get back to my orginal argument, I'm getting a little off topic here, I apologize. Kobe does everything that Lebron and Durant don't.
Kobe can shoot from anywhere on the floor, he can post up, he has the best footwork since MJ,(for the record I'm not saying he's better than MJ by any means) he has the heart of a champion, he makes other around him better, he rebounds on both ends of the floor, he is a go-to-guy in the clutch, he is still a perennial perimeter defender, he more mentally stronger than both Lebron and Durant, and his basketball IQ is far greater than Lebron's.
Lebron, has been to the Finals before, he is no stranger to the post-season. However, he has yet to show qualities that put him above Kobe Bryant. The word clutch and Lebron have never been in the same sentence. When he has the ball in his hands in the 4th quarter he may score 14 points but when the game is on the line with 20 seconds to go, he chokes.
Kobe is the only superstar on his team, so his field goal percentage will reflect that. Kobe has to put up more shots than normal. Like any shooter, you always have to keep shooting
In my opinion, clutch performance puts Kobe above both.
Hyped78 said 06/07, 02:37 AM
You failed to address the fact that his FG% was one of the worst in his career.
You also didn't address the fact that his turnovers went up.
You didn't address the issue of relatively short team (Lakers) success this season.
If there's something he didn't do this year was make everyone around him better, I am sorry.
You also "forgot" about his ball hogging this year.
And yes, all of this because we're talking about now, not about 3 or 4 years ago. That's why the TD is called "is still".
LeBron won the MVP, Kobe didn't... with the Heat having more team success than the Lakers.
Durant had more MVP votes than Kobe, and won the scoring title from him... with the Thunder having more team success than the Lakers.
And, if something, when the time came, he showed little patience and some whining in the playoffs, not the type of leadership you mentioned.
No doubt that Kobe is still one of the world's true elite players. But he is no longer number 1.
And I do think you exaggerated in the way you've criticized the likes of LeBron, Durant, Gasol and Bynum.
You made them seem like amateurs.
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