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- 06/18/2012, 02:56PM ET
Top 5 Pitchers in the MLB this year
CruzControl98 said 06/18, 02:56 PM
1) Matt Cain
Everybody knows about the perfect game last start he threw, which just made his stellar start better. He has a 2.18 ERA, 0.85 WHIP, and a 8-2 Record to start the year. He is also fifth in the league in strikeouts with 96.
2) RA Dickey
10-1 this year with a 2.20 ERA and a 0.94 WHIP. He hasn't had a loss in his last 10 starts and has not allowed a earned run in 4 games. He also probably should of had a no hitter last start because BJ Upton's ruled hit was really a error.
3) Justin Verlander
6-4 this year with a 2.66 ERA and a 0.97 WHIP. He leads the league in both IP, which he has 101.2 and also K's with 103. He also had hurled the most CG this year with 3, and he was close to a no hitter against the Pirates a couple weeks back.
4) Stephen Strasburg
8-1 Record with a 2.45 ERA and a 1.04 WHIP. He is tied for second in the league with 100 K's, and he is only behind Verlander because he can't go deep in game. He has only pitched 70 innings compared to Justin's 102.
5) Lance Lynn
10-2 Record with a 2.42 ERA and a 1.09 WHIP to go along with 86 K's. Running out of room so will explain more next.
Darth Maim said 06/18, 04:54 PM
Nice list, but I have another pitcher that belongs on that list.
While I could add Brandon Beachy or Gio Gonzalez I am going to go with Chris Sale of the Chicago White Sox.
Sales stats for the season:
8-2 2.46 ERA .99 WHIP 82 K's with a complete game and a 172+ ERA (leads MLB) and has only 22 walks in 80.1 innings.
He has these better stats than Lynn as well:
H/9 Sale 6.5 Lynn 6.8
BB/9 Sale 2.5 Lynn 3.0
K/BB Sale 3.73 Lynn 3.19
Hits allowed Sale 58 Lynn 62
So while your list is solid, it isn't the best 5 in MLB right now.
Good luck CruzControl98
Argument 2: My rebuttal for rights 2nd argument.....
CruzControl98 said 06/18, 05:37 PM
This is gonna be a tough one to beat after looking at it but ill take a shot.
First lets look at the ERA and Wins. Both of these categories belong to Lynn and when you think about baseball, all that matters is how many runs you give up and if you can win games. Lynn also has more K's. But **** thats about all I got.
Sale gets 6 Runs a game in support, Lynn gets 7
Sale has to face AL teams every week, Lynn gets to face NL
Sale place for a worst team then Lynn
All the things you listed above
But when you think about he was drafted by the better team and he gets more wins so stats wise he is a better pitcher overall and I think that Lynn will be around longer then Sale but there is no way to prove that.
Thanks for the TD Darth Maim
Sorry for not having a argument
Darth Maim said 06/19, 08:15 AM
Let's see...where to start
1). "Sale gets 6 Runs a game in support, Lynn gets 7"
Yes, my selection is getting less run support than your. ADVANTAGE Sale.
2). "Sale has to face AL teams every week, Lynn gets to face NL"
True again, Lynn gets to face pitchers in the batters box while Sale gets to enjoy pitching to the DH in the American League. ADVANTAGE Sale.
3). "Sale place for a worst team then Lynn"
Um, not true...The White Sox winning % is .522 and they are in first place in the AL Central. The Cardinals winning % is .507 and they are in 3rd place in the NL Central 4.5 games behind.
4). "But when you think about he was drafted by the better team and he gets more wins so stats wise he is a better pitcher overall and I think that Lynn will be around longer then Sale but there is no way to prove that."
Not sure how this factors into why Lynn is better than Sale.
Argument 3: Final summation.....
CruzControl98 said 06/19, 04:59 PM
Dude, I know you won, thats why I gave points that favored you. Sale is a better pitcher right now and I missed him while looking through the stats
Darth Maim said 06/20, 10:00 AM
Sale is superior to Lynn in:
ERA+ (Leads MLB)
H/9
K/BB
BB/9
Hits allowed
Sale also pitches in the AL.
Thus he should be included on the list of the 5 best pitchers in MLB right now.
Best of luck in the future CruzControl98.....
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Unless he's an injured Brave you won't get my vote.
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So am I. He's 8-2/2.46/0.996 in a hitters park and has the best ERA+ in MLB.
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Oh, and he pitches in the A.L. 4 of the 5 guys on lefts list are NL pitchers...skewing their numbers.
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*Lefts 2nd argument.....
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Good to be back.....
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Ryan Dempster has been pretty lights out this year. People see his 3-3 record though and don't appreciate how well he has pitched. Second in all of basebal with a 2.11 ERA and a very good 1.01 WHIP. Not his fault he plays on a lousy team ....
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Actually looked at him, but the WL record would have been harder to support against a 10 win record.....
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Wins and losses for a pitcher are overrated, always have been. Not a pitchers fault his team can't put runs on the board. I can understand where you'e coming from though, tough to sell some people on a guy with only 3 wins and a .500 record. Either way I always judge a pitcher on ERA, WHIP, ERA +, K/BB, K/9, and batting average against.
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Agreed.....
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Sales WAR 3.1.....Lynns WAR 2.2.....
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Wins is a team #.
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That argument gets used all the time but doesn't fly with me. When a starting pitcher takes a loss, it's because the other teams pitched better, more often than not. Look at Greg Maddux, he had one of the worst run support numbers ever yet he won 355 games. Pedro won 17 games and a Cy Young pitching for a bad Expos team.
Wins aren't the be-all end-all of pitching, but the best pitchers get wins regardless of who they pitch for.
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Then why did Maddux win so many more games than other (also great, but not AS great) pitchers on the Braves staff?
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Why did left just make rights argument for him??
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First lets look at the ERA
Lynn pitches in the NL.
ERA+ - Lynn 158 Sale 172
THAT is the number that matters when comparing ERA across leagues.
and Wins. Both of these categories belong to Lynn and when you think about baseball, all that matters is how many runs you give up and if you can win games. Lynn also has more K's.
Sale missed 2 starts when the team was being over cautious early in the season and took him out of the rotation. He had to lobby to get the starting job back. Yes, Lynn has a whopping 4 more strikeouts...and 1 more start.
I think that Lynn will be around longer then Sale
Forget for a second that there is absolutely no basis for "thinking this" (Sale is only 23 years old, 2 years younger than Lynn) but what on earth does it have to do with who has been a better pitcher THIS YEAR?
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Handicapping for the frogman?
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A lot of people still don't know who he is. He went from Pitching in College to pitching in MLB after 10 innings in the Minors. He was lights out the last two years in the pen before finally getting the starting spot this year (same thing they did with Buehrle, the last prized lefty they wanted to be cautious with)
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I loved this argument:
But when you think about he was drafted by the better team
Yeah, now THAT is a solid reason to call one player better than another...I think Maim should counter that gem with:
Yeah, but Sale was drafted higher
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