- 06/22/2012, 09:56AM ET
Jobo1045 said 06/22, 09:56 AM
Assuming we get every player in their prime...
Sub: Magic Johnson
Simply put... this team would be almost impossible to guard.
Jordan: Operating as a point/scorer. Not a whole lot to say about this pick. Lock down defender. Can score the ball in every way imaginable. Greatest of all time.
Shaq: The only way to guard his size would be to double team him and who do you double off - you simply could not guard him one on one. Not only was he a great scorer, but he passed extremely well for a big man which plays perfectly with Reggie. Potential problem if a team goes hack-a-shaq but who shoots free throws in a 3-on-3 game?
Reggie: Has anyone (Jordan/Kobe excluded) hated to lose more than Reggie Miller? The guy is one of the best pure three point shooters of all time and spaced the floor and used screens as well as anyone (Ray Allen being up there as well). Plays perfectly off Shaq demanding the double team and Jordan creating with the ball.
Magic: Can effectively sub in at any position, though might have a little trouble guarding an elite big man. We all know his game.
Darth Maim said 06/22, 10:39 AM
Nice topic, and because you didn't state that it would have to be 4 different players...here are my selections:
Sub: Magic Johnson
So my changes are Oscar for Reggie and Wilt for Shaq.
Robertson: Averaged monster stats for his career (25.7 points, 7.5 rebounds, and 9.5 assists/game).
In addition Oscar was:
12x All-Star (1961-72)
9x All-NBA First Team (1961-1969)
3x All-Star MVP (1961, 1964, 1969)
NBA ROY (1961)
NBA MVP (1964)
NBA 50th Anniversary Team
Chamberlain: Was a stats beast (30.1 points, 22.9 rebounds, and 4.4 assists/game)
And Wilt accomplished:
13 x All Star
11x Rebounding Champion
7x All-NBA First Team
7x Scoring Champion
4x MVP (1960, 1966-68)
NBA 50th Anniversary Team
So it comes down to Oscar over Reggie, and Wilt over Shaq.
Best of luck Jobo
Argument 2: Supporting evidence.....
Jobo1045 said 06/22, 11:24 AM
Can't argue stats against your team... Here's an attempt...
Shaq's best year (99-00) - 29.7 ppg, 13.6 rpg, 3.8 apg, 3.0 bpg
15x All Star
3x Finals MVP
3x NBA All Defensive Team
14 x All NBA Team
2x Scoring Champion
4x Rap Albums
2x Movie Star (Kazaam and Steel)
Reggie shot a career 39.5% from deep (not exactly comparable because Oscar played before the 3 point line and I honestly wont claim to know how he would have shot from 3)
2,560 Career 3's
My argument is based on style of play, matchup problems, and will to win.
In his prime (and with the benefit of officiating) no one could stop Shaq one-on-one... Watch him dominate Yao at 7'6". Not sure Wilt ever had to physically guard someone with Shaq's sheer size and physical presence. There's never really been a player with quite the same physique as Shaq.
Reggie was an absolute competitor and knocked down big shots. Look at 8 points in 11 seconds to beat the Knicks in MSG. Not saying he would dominate the game against Oscar but would knock down the big shot if he left to double Jordan or Shaq in the paint.
Darth Maim said 06/22, 01:14 PM
Um, I am sure Shaq is proud about his rap album and his "blockbuster" movie career, however if you are comparing the basketball skills, I believe it is fair to say that he and Wilt may end up playing to a draw. They were both bigger than the competition and imposed their will on whoever they were playing at the time.
So, Oscar vs. Reggie:
You stated "My argument is based on style of play, matchup problems, and will to win."
Reggie only averaged 3.0 assists/game while Oscar contributed 9.5 assists. So in the style of play, Oscar would have the clear advantage in his passing ability to get MJ and Wilt the ball. Reggie would look to shoot first which isn't always the best strategy in 3 on 3 play.
And while Reggie (6'7 195) is 2' taller than Oscar (6'5 220), Oscar would have the the bulk advantage on his side. Once again, in 3 on 3 there is more of an emphasis on inside play. The same argument could be made for Shaq, however Wilt was a scoring machine and he played against Bill Russell, one of the best defensive centers ever, and was still able to hang 25 points and 20 rebounds on him.
Argument 3: Final summation.....
Jobo1045 said 06/22, 02:45 PM
Jordan and Jordan play to a draw. Obvious Reasons.
Wilt and Shaq bang around inside and effectively play to a draw. However, I believe both of them demand a double team on occasion.
As you said, game comes down to the Oscar v. Reggie matchup. If this is 1-on-1 I'll give you Oscar all day. However, Jordan/Magic are my primary ball handler/decision makers and I'm looking to Reggie only to shoot. I don't need him to pass so I'm not worried about his assists.
Reggie's height plays more here than Oscar's bulk. We have two 7'0 centers clogging the paint effectively negating an inside matchup between the two of them. Oscar can use his weight to get by Miller and into the lane which will be clogged by Shaq. Granted, this does give him a dump off to Wilt. However, Jordan and Magic do that for me and Reggie can get into the lane when necessary.
Reggie's height allows him to shoot over Oscar and if you give him ANY room he's deadly from outside which would be exploited on any double team. He spaces the floor exceptionally well to get his shot.
Finally, Reggie is about as clutch and consistent as they come. He buries big shots. And 3's count more than 2's.
Darth Maim said 06/22, 03:05 PM
So, if we use your rationale..
Jordan vs. Jordan is a draw
Wilt vs. Shaq is a draw
It comes down to Oscar vs. Reggie. Here is why Oscar would be the better choice:
So Oscar has a huge advantage in scoring, rebounding, and assists over Reggie and your assertion that "My argument is based on style of play, matchup problems, and will to win." is only helping my argument.
Style of play....Oscar can score more, pass better, and get the boards more consistently than Reggie.
Match-up problems....Oscar is a more well rounded player than Reggie.
Will to win....Oscar won a title, Reggie did not...but this is a moot point, so this is a wash.
When you look at the match-up it is very clear that Oscar was the better player and he would be able to use his skills to dominate a player who's only real strength is shooting 3's and Oscar was a deadly long-range shooter.
Best of luck in the future.....
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