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harrisplz said 06/26, 12:28 AM
All NBA Defensive Team:
-5 Starters according to their position.
-2 Bench players, 1 Big man, 1 Guard
PG- Rajon Rondo
SG- Thabo Sefolosha
SMF- Lebron James
PF-Serge Ibaka
C- Dwight Howard
B1- Tony Allen
B2- Tyson Chandler
Please make a couple changes. I will argue the differences.
DonCorleone said 06/26, 01:12 AM
List first since you did the same and to be fair:
PG: Chris Paul
SG: Tony Allen
SF: Lebron James
PF: Serge Ibaka
C: Dwight Howard
SUB: Rajon Rondo
SUB: Andrew Bynum
The main differences we have is my inclusion of both Chris Paul and Andrew Bynum, while you have Sefolosha and Chandler. Also, I'm starting Allen and CP3, while you're starting Rondo and Thabo.
harrisplz said 06/27, 12:11 AM
Interesting that you switched CP3 for Rajon Rondo.
For a 6 footer, he defends his position exceptionally well. FOR A 6 FOOTER. His on ball defense from what I have seen is actually no where near Rondo's on ball defense.
Both are great at stealing the ball and hawking the passing lanes. I will admit that CP3 has the slight edge here, but only by the slightest margin. Rondo is just as quick and his anticipations are decisive as that of Chris Paul's.
The real advantage comes from Rondo's length. People forget that rebounding is a part of defense as well. While CP3 is a good rebounder for a pg of his height, Rondo is a skilled, special rebounder. He almost reminds of the way Jason Kidd rebounds the ball.
Rondo RPG 2012- 4.4
CP3 RPG- 2012- 3.5
In some, you know how good of a defender Rondo is at his position if Doc has the trust to put him against D-Wade. He actually had success in guarding D-Wade in the playoff too.
Could you see CP3 guarding D-Wade and having the same results as Rondo? I dont think so.
DonCorleone said 06/27, 03:06 AM
Funny you left off the steals stat for both players:
Chris Paul- 2.53 SPG
Rajon Rondo- 1.8 SPG
That's nearly one more steal per game CP3 has, which leads the entire NBA. Are you really trying to pass off rebounds as more important for a point guard than rebounds? Steals force opponents into turnovers, which is far more impressive.
I'm impressed Paul even averaged 3.5 RPG, considering he has Griffin and Jordan gobbling most rebounds each game, and both each average more RPG than anyone on Boston.
I don't see what CP3's height has to do with anything, as this was his fourth season winning the NBA steals title. I'm not denying Rondo's skills, as I have him as a sub, but Paul is a scrappy defender, that always finds a way to deflect passes on the guy he's guarding.
Tony Allen- 1.79 SPG, 4.0 RPG
Thabo Sefolosha- 0.9 SPG, 3.0 RPG
Sefolosha is a really good defender, but Allen is regarded as the best at his position by the media, coaches, and everyone I know that watches the NBA.
Surprised you not only started Thabo over Allen, but left CP3 off your 7-man roster. I'd easily take Allen over Sefolosha to guard Kobe or Wade any day.
harrisplz said 06/28, 01:46 AM
Its even funnier that you seem to think steal stats are actually indicative of how well a player plays defense.
I recall Allen Iverson leading the NBA in steals in 2003 at 2.74 steals per game. Does that in any way dictate how well Allen Iverson played defense that year? Hell no. Actually, it just shows how eager he is to jump passing lanes all the time. Allen Iverson is a terrible defender.
Much like Iverson, Chris Paul loves to jump lanes, risking getting **** the pass and giving up easy points. This doesn't necessarily get picked up stat sheets.
Hence, your methods of justifying both Allen AND CP3 being a better defender are very, very flawed.
And rebounds, more specifically defensive rebounds, are very important to playing good defense. It stops opponents from getting second shot opportunities.
Tony Allen can guard the 2 position I say as well as Thabo Sefolosha can. However, Tony Allen just isn't big enough to guard 3's. Can you imagine putting Tony Allen on Lebron? Sefolosha can at least put up a fight. Allen would just get abused. I think Sefolosha has the slight edge with his length and versatility.
DonCorleone said 06/28, 02:48 AM
Chris Paul and Rajon Rondo are both great defenders, and both made the All-NBA Defensive teams this year. You really don't think CP3 wouldn't have more rebounds if it weren't for Blake and Jordan? Come on. And yes, causing turnovers and getting baskets through steals shows CP3 is a great defender.
Allen is a better rebounder, and much better at steals and causing turnovers than Sefolosha. Never saw Allen get abused by shooters. This is a fact. Sefolosha is good, but he couldn't stop Lebron at all. Not sure why you even brought that up.
You bring up Allen Iverson, yet fail to even make an argument for your boy Tyson Chandler. I wonder why?
Andrew Bynum: 1.93 BLKPG (116), 11.8 RPG (709)
Tyson Chandler: 1.44 BLKPG (89), 9.9 RPG (612)
Bynum wins by a huge margin in stats. Mind you that Chandler played 2 more games, yet was out-rebounded by nearly 100, and out-blocked by 27.
Bynum was a beast on defense this year, and should have received more credit from the coaches and media. Chandler was good, but he didn't deserve the DPOY award over any one of the seven players on my list. Enjoy the video.
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If I do this, can we finish by tomorrow night?
DonCorleone
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If you want me to finish by then, sure.
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hmm.. interesting that you put CP3 in there... ill be back on later to finish this.
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There are going to typos. I forgot a word. Hell, I typed "In some."
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eeek
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I didn't proofread. My bad in advance. Long Day.
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I better not see a vote from Police Station, harris! Ha, just messing.
I didn't realize the disparity in stats between Bynum and Chandler until I looked them up. I think Drew will get more respect from the people that vote for awards if he acts more mature next season. Still, he was pretty awesome this year. Good TD.
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I got so sucked into the CP3 thing that I didn't even argue for Tyson and Bynum..... eeeeeek
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Chandler plays tougher than Bynum and I like Rando's length to frustrate CP3.
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Yeah, I was surprised you didn't even mention what I thought was our biggest difference within the lists. I'll give myself some props for rattling you a bit with the CP3 argument lol. It's not like I left Rondo off completely.
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I respect your opinion even though I think Bynum was a bigger force on defense this year, but left didn't mention anything about Chandler in his arguments, besides listing his name. And I do have Rondo on my list, just not starting over CP3. Concept isn't which player would defend the other player, better.
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