- 06/26/2012, 02:19AM ET
bestintheweston said 06/26, 02:19 AM
This td was discussed beforehand, so lets get to it.
We must each make an all-time nfl offense excluding o-line in the format of: 1(ea) qb, 2(ea) rb, 3(ea) wr, and 2(ea) te. The twist to the td is that you must use the previous players last name and have the next player have the same letter for their first name. ex: John Doe, Dough Boy, B...ect. So without further ado,
Qb: Drew Brees
Rb: Barry Sanders
Rb: Stephen Jackson
Wr: Jerry Rice
Wr: Randy Moss
Wr: Marvin Harrison
Te: Heath Miller
Te: Mike Ditka
So we will do this in traditional format. List first and then argue which is better.
sportsfan809 said 06/26, 06:19 PM
Jesus! That's an awesome lineup. I didn't want to take any of your guys because it took me a while, and I figured you worked hard on your lineup, too. I really wanted to take Jerry Rice but I used my copy on Ditka. How long did this take you? It took me about 1.5 hours, honestly. It's tough. GL BITW
QB: Brett Favre
RB: Franco Harris (although he was a fullback, he's still considered a top RB in NFL History)
RB: Hugh McElhenny
WR: Michael Irvin
WR: Isaac Bruce
WR: Bobby Mitchell
TE: Mike Ditka (for lack of options)
TE: Dallas Clark
bestintheweston said 06/26, 09:30 PM
Very nice line up SF. I hope you enjoyed the title. lol. Np on the use of Ditka. So.....
Qb:In recent years Brees has become a great passer in terms of accuracy. When combining the best season comp% totals of both, Favre only breaks the top 5 once. The same thing happens when you compare the qb rating. Excluding Favre's "magic" season of 2009 he only breaks the top 5 once. One of the greatest downfalls of Favre is that he is to wild with his passes. It comes down to this, in terms of raw data Favre is intercepted 3.3% of the times he passes while Brees is only intercepted 2.7%. Main objective of the qb: Complete passes and don't give the ball away.
Rb: Barry/Steven(sp) avg. 4.7 yards per carry while Harris/McElhenny avg. 4.4. Also B/S???s fumble ratio (att/fum) is 1.2% while H/M is 4.1%. Main objective of the rb: Gain yards and don???t give the ball away. In touchdowns per game B/S score .62 td per game while H/M score only .49. Another telling factor is the fact that B/S where on bad teams throughout their career(in terms of winning %), making them the main focus of the defense. B/S team w% .3925. H/M w% .623. Doing more with less is always better. Edge B/S
sportsfan809 said 06/27, 12:23 AM
QB: In recent years, Brees put up more numbers than Brett Favre (understandably). But that doesn't say anything. How can you just shrug off Favre's records?
Let's see what he's accomplished:
11x Pro Bowl selection
3x First-Team All Pro selection
3x Second-Team All Pro selection
3x NFL MVP
5x NFC POY
2x NFC Champion
1990s all decade team
Here's his records:
Most Passing Yards (Career)(He leads by 10,576 yards)
Most Passing TDs (Career)(He leads by 88 touchdowns)
Most Passing Completions (Career)(He leads by 1,333 completions)
Most Seasons Leading the League in TD's (Tied with 4)
He's got 18 consecutive seasons with 15+ TD Passes and 5 Consec with 30+ AND 3 Consec with 35+ (He's been in the league for 20 years)
I won't talk about his history leading 297 consecutive starts. I won't bother with naming all 238 QB's that started during that time span.
And he's got a Super Bowl title, which makes it legit.
He threw the most Interceptions ever, but I would rather have a guy who owns the highest TD/INT rate ever (4.71)
In case you want more [useless] records, search "brett favre record list" on google and click the first link.
Everyone else next. lol
bestintheweston said 06/27, 06:30 PM
Favre is #8.
td/int ratio over career: Brees-1.92 Favre-1.51. If we use Favre career as a template Brees would throw 61 int less that Favre over the same career using Brees's current numbers.
Wr: J/R/M- 32 seasons of 1,000+ yds, 26 seasons of 10+ tds, 10 seasons of 100+ rec, while M/I/B have 17(1000+), 5(10+), and 2(100+). In regards to single seasons J/R/M have 12 top 50 finshes in yards, 9 in rec, and 17 in tds, the all-time record for all three compared to 5(y), 2(r),and 1(t) from M/I/B.
I am going to call Ditka a wash and just focus on Heath Miller vs. Dallas Clark
Te: I really cant argue that Miller is better than Clark. I used Miller as a gateway from Marvin to Ditka, but it back fired and I seem to be S.O.L.
Great td SF.
sportsfan809 said 06/28, 02:37 AM
WHOOPS! I may have meant season.
QB: Who's more successful? D.B. will never surpass B.F. in TD's/Comps/Yds. B.F. has many useless records, but records are records. And B.F. owns em.
RB: B.S.-The best running back ever. The only thing F.H. is better than B.S. at is getting a ring, but your other pick, S.J, brings B.S. down. Sure, S.J. is a great running back, and sure the key of it is to get yards and don't fumble, but there's another one that a lot of running backs break (it's hard to follow): Don't get hurt. Sure, they're rbs-the most physical position, but you can't be getting hurt on a regular basis like S.J. does, and the horrible success he's had will probably hold him back from becoming a HOF-er, which both of my running backs are. F.H. won a Super Bowl 4x (1x MVP). "McElhenny was to pro football in the 1950s and early 1960s what Elvis Presley was to rock and roll." -That was on the HOF website. He was even nicknamed "The King". When you put together all the accomplishments, it's B.S. vs. F.H./H.M.
WR: We both have a solid receiving core but again, it's J.R. and crew vs M.I./I.B./B.M.-all star players for their team. You have the #1 ever, but I've got all stars.
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