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Which Bucs get in?
Gruden said 06/29, 12:59 PM
In their entire history, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers have one player in the NFL Hall of Fame. Lee Roy Selmon. Well two if you count Steve Young, who they drafted, and Randall McDaniel, who played briefly for them. But I don't. Leaving one.
In the next few years though, that all changes. So the question is, who gets in.
Warren Sapp, Derrick Brooks, Mike Alstott, John Lynch, Tony Dungy, and eventually Rhonde Barber will all be eligible. And they are all a part of an amazing team that had a great run including a Super Bowl victory. So who makes the cut? And will any be a 1st ballot selectee? Here's my thoughts.
Warren Sapp and Derrick Brooks are slam dunk 1st ballot selections. Sapp in 2013, Brooks in 2014. Sapp was a 7 time Pro Bowler, on the All Decade team for the 90's and the 2000's, won defensive player of the year, and had 96.5 sacks. Brooks was an 11 time Pro Bowler, defensive player of the year, and an all-decade selection.
Lynch will make it eventually, but not 1st time.
Alstott simply gets left out. Great full back, but not Hall of Fame.
And lets save argument #2 for Tony Dungy.
Crime Lab said 06/29, 02:04 PM
Oh please tell me this is a joke! A team wins one Super Bowl and suddenly five players and the coach are headed to Canton? Simply not possible.
Sapp is out simply because enough people that do the actual voting don't like him. He was an arrogant jerk who ended his career sucking up a storm in Oakland.
Alstott? Fullback. Nuff said.
Lynch? Besides being a hard hitter...what did he actually do?
Barber? Does playing a long time mean automatic entry into the hall? Try Morton Anderson and his 25 years, 382 games...no hall.
Brooks has a shot, but no chance on the 1st ballot. Just not enough accomplished.
And I can't wait to argue Dungy.
Gruden said 06/29, 02:18 PM
OK, you want Dungy, you get Dungy.
In my personal opinion, Tony Dungy will not get in to the Hall of Fame. The reason is that he simply struggled to win the big one. Coaches don't get in on one ring. It just doesn't happen.
Another thing working against Dungy happened when he moved to Indy. In Tampa he was called the guru of the Tampa 2. Such a defensive genius. Only one problem. He didn't design the Tampa 2. Monte Kiffin did. Dungy just allowed it to happen.
And then when Dungy moved to Indy...surprise! Their defense was a liability, not a strength. In fact, in Indy, they were all offense! But wait, Tony Dungy is a defensive genius! He knows nothing about offense! Well, Tom Moore knows a heck of a lot about offense. Hmm..two super bowls working with Pittsburgh's offense with a hall of fame QB and two hall of fame wide receivers; went on to Detroit and oversaw Barry Sanders amazing offensive output; and then to Indy to coach Peyton Manning. We see who was the genius in Indy, don't we?
Tony Dungy is a really nice guy. He's a good coach. He is NOT a Hall of Fame coach.
Crime Lab said 06/29, 02:35 PM
Oh good lord, if there was ever a coach who belonged in the Hall of Fame it is Tony Dungy. He won a Super Bowl as a player and a coach. As a defensive coordinator with Minnesota, his defense was ranked #1. He was so good that Tampa hired him as their head coach in 1996. Under him the Bucs made the playoffs in five years.
Then in Indy they made the playoffs finally winning a Super Bowl with them.
Sure, he had a lot of teams that were great that didn't win the big one. But that happens to every coach. But he was in contention EVERY YEAR. And he became the all time winningest coach, passing hall of famer Don Shula. That's pretty good company right there.
You have to ask yourself, would you rather be a one time Super Bowl winner who was never again in contention (Jon Gruden!) or would you rather be a one time Super Bowl winner who was always in contention? I want my head coach to be in the running every year. And when I pick that head coach, I want his name to be Tony Dungy.
Gruden said 06/29, 02:44 PM
I guess that leaves Rhonde Barber.
Here's a guy that was nearly singlehandedly responsible for Tampa's 2003 Super Bowl win. Why? Because his interception for a touchdown put them ahead of Philly in the NFL Championship game, IN PHILLY, which finally got them to the Super Bowl in the first place.
He also became the first cornerback in the history of the NFL with 20 interceptions and 20 sacks in a career. Before that it had only been done by 9 players, 6 linebackers and 3 safeties. It was unheard of for a cornerback.
He now has 27 sacks, 43 interceptions, and is a 5 time pro bowler and is part of the 2000's All Decade Team. Not to mention he holds the record for most consecutive starts at corner by any NFL player...a streak that will only be broken this season because he is moving to safety. at 37 years old!
He is legendary, and he will be a member of the Hall of Fame five years after he retires, if he EVER retires.
Crime Lab said 06/29, 02:48 PM
Wow JP, that went quick. Want to grab a drink after work? I'm leaving here at 4:30. We can meet at McCarthy's around 5:15.
And honestly, I've got nothing on this one. Didn't realize Rhonde would be his own argument.
Rhonde Barber will cruise into the Hall of Fame. He's one of the greatest players, let alone defensive player, let alone cornerbacks, to ever play the game.
But we have real difference in #1 and #2.
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Alstott was a beast, but not sure if he's HOF material.....
Darth Maim
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We both agreed with that. Great player. but not GREAT player.
Crime Lab
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right is a moron and is not trying for any good arguments
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I thought my argument in favor of Dungy was pretty solid.
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"And they are all part of an amazing team that had a great run including a Super Bowl."
-Dungy was not the coach of TB when they won it all. JON GRUDEN was. Suprised you missed that.
"HE is NOT a hall of fame coach."
-13 years as a HC: 139-69 (.668). 11 playoff appearances, 10 in a row. The only bad thing you can say about TD is his 9-10 career playoff record. Other than that he's a sure shot HOFer.
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Brooks and Sapp, no doubt; Barber, probably; Dungy, maybe; Lynch, probably not; Alstott, no.
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You don't think Lynch will get in even though he was a 9 time Pro Bowler?
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No love for Simeon Rice?
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I didn't miss anything. He was PART of an an amazing run, you ignorant ****.
And no, he's not a "sure shot" anything. In fact, his 9-10 playoff record is what will keep him OUT of the Hall of Fame. You are as ignorant on the NFL as you are on all other sports, that's obvious.
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And you're wrong on everything you typed. Typical.
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Rice was not a product of Tampa like the others listed were. He was a free agent signing. Doesn't count. And no, compared to Sapp, Brooks and Barber...Rice doesn't get in.
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No.
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Again, this goes into the file of "things this guy says that show he's clueless about sports". In fact, that's where everything you say goes.
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Why are you such an a**hole you stupid prick? You made it sound like TD was part of their SB winning team. You dumba** you made no attempt at saying otherwise. You know very little about anything fella.
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Further proof you are a d@mn moron.
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I'm expecting to see Simeon Rice's name to pop up a few time in the HOF nominations but I'd agree he'll never get in. But I do believe that most people will remember him more for his days as a Buccaneer than anywhere else.
Derrick Brooks will get in. Warren Sapp probably, but he'll likely have to wait a few years - for some reason people don't remember him for how dominant an entire pass rusher he truly was; but then again, a lot of those people won't be involved in the voting. Ronde Barber I consider a fringe player. He may get in, he may get left out. It won't surprise me either way. There's a lot of competition at the cornerback position and the man seemed to fly under the radar for long stretches of time.
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