- 07/17/2012, 04:21PM ET
CuntryBlumpkin said 07/17, 04:21 PM
I'm going on record and saying that within the next two months, Justin Upton will either: Be suspended for failing a drug test for PEDs, or will need to have a major surgery that will require him to miss all of next season.
Why am I predicting this?
It has to do with the Diamondbacks being open to trading their 24 year old star outfielder who finished 4th in MVP voting last season.
Why else would the Dbacks want to trade him?
They are still in contention for the NL West, and even if the Dbacks feel they are out of it, sellers tend to try and keep great young talent like Upton and get prospects in return for veterans.
Upton has a team friendly contract that runs through the 2015 season. So they still have him 3 more seasons at a bargain price for a player of Upton's caliber.
Is it because he's had a bit of a rough season this year? The dude is 24 years old, and his protection in the lineup has been hurt most of the season, and Upton has had hand issues as well.
Is it because he has an attitude problem? His coaches and teammates have been very quick to defend him on those accusations.
Am I that crazy?
Argos. said 07/17, 05:34 PM
Why did the Cardinals trade their talented 24 year old CF a year after having an .859 OPS and two year removed from being the #3 prospect in all of baseball?
Why did the Braves trade their 27 year old SS a year after earning MVP votes?
Why are the Diamondbacks gonna trade Upton?
Because teams are often run by stupid people. Then you have smart people running other teams, that like to take advantage of the stupid people.
These smart people can deceive stupid people, and encourage them to make trades.
Arizona's head stupid person is their owner. He just doesn't like Upton, and has been record saying he doesn't like him.
By the way, Upton has Blue Jay type of player written all over him, and they have been rumoured to have pieces that Arizona wants. Now with Jose out for a while, and with them wanting them to move Jose to 1B long term anyways, I predict he gets traded to Toronto, if Arizona trades him.
CuntryBlumpkin said 07/17, 08:31 PM
You're all over the place here. There's a reason I roll my eyes everytime you take one of my TDs, it's because you always try to make it about the Blue Jays when it has nothing to do with them. We're not predicting where Upton winds up, but your biggest paragraph was predicting he winds up a Blue Jay.
Rasmus wasn't an Upton like talent and he and LaRussa didn't get along.
Braves traded Escobar because he didn't fit in with the Atlanta style of play, so they exiled him to Canada, which is worse than being demoted to AAA.
I don't get the stupid owner angle. Most people that acquire enough money to own a pro sports team didn't get their money by being stupid, and besides it's generally the GM that signs off on trades and acquisitions. And this same "stupid" Arizona GM is the one that suckered your Blue Jays into giving up Aaron Hill pretty much straight up for Kelly Johnson.
The owner doesn't hate Upton. Essentially every person associated with Dbacks has defended Upton's work ethic.
The answer is clear, either the Dbacks know Upton will fail his next drug test, or they know he has a time bomb injury that will eventually need a major surgery.
Argos. said 07/18, 05:04 AM
The owner of the Diamondbacks has said this on Justin:
"I think Justin is an enigma at this point. He's certainly not the Justin Upton he has been in the past, and we would expect of him. He???s 24 years old. It???s time for him to be a consistent performer, and he's not been that."
The owner, and manager have also made comments about Justin's lack of work ethic. Comments his agent hasn't taken too kindly.
He simply just called Justin out. This is no different than Cox not liking Escobar because of his flare and lack of effort, or LaRussa not liking Rasmus' attitude.
To further show they don't like Upton, they shopped him prior to last season too!
Did he require surgery in 2010 too?
Then you have the fact they are doing this trade as a baseball move. They have Kubel, Para, and Chris Young all capable of playing the OF. They have major holes at SS and 3B and need some pitching help. If they can deal Upton, they manage to start all 3 of the other OF'ers who should be starters, and improve the team elsewhere. Plus their top prospect all play the OF too.
This is a personal/baseball move. Don't read too much into it.
CuntryBlumpkin said 07/18, 08:13 PM
What a buzzkill you are.
Remember when Upton said he doesn't care what the fans think, and said his coaches and teammates knew how hard he was working, and every player and coach that was talked to defended his work ethic.
I don't know about you, but needing to get fluid drained from the upper joint in the thumb sounds painful to me. It's been lingering all season.
It's much different than Cox not liking Escobar. Escobar was either gonna be traded, or he was gonna be killed by his teammates, and Escobar isn't 1/4 the talent Upton is.
In 2010, the Dbacks were bottom feeders. They are still in the hunt this season.
Upton has been the face of the Dbacks the last few years. He's been their best player. He's under 25 year old. He's a proven MLB talent, if need is why they are shopping him, there's other pieces they don't need they can shop.
It's pretty obvious to me. Upton either has a ticking timebomb injury that will require career threatening surgery, or he's going to fail his next drug test.
Argos. said 07/19, 11:53 AM
What do you think the coach and teammates are gonna say? That he is a lazy bum? They still have to play with him, and they may not trade him. That will just make things way worse. Besides, it will lower his trade value big time if they came out and said that publicly.
He had a thumb injury and sat out some time. So what? Should the Reds have traded Votto because he was going to have knee surgery and be out a few weeks? No. That is just dumb.
And he can't have a career threatening surgery coming up either, because those just don't happen. I don't think there are many more of those in pro sport anymore. And if it was career threatening, you can't play through them and they have to be done right away. So they wont see it coming. Usually they just pop up on you with no warning, like you get a disease or get in a big accident and something tragic happens. You can't predict those.
Failing a drug test is just stupid. That is one of the dumbest ideas I have ever heard.
This is a simple baseball move to clear up a spot in the OF and also the team and management and ownership don't get along with him.
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