Throwdowns > Closed

JimJ77 Can't make it up said 07/21, 12:11 AM
I'll go ahead and take Chuck from his 2nd fight with Randy.

I'm not sure how Chuck loses this fight. Hughes standup is mediocre at best. And what's he going to do? Take Chuck down? Um, never.

Chuck invented sprawl and brawl. People forget he was a wrestler at Cal Poly and had the skill set to keep fights standing where he would unleash his power.

And I haven't even gotten to the size disparity yet. Chuck was a good sized 205er. Hughes fought at 170, and wasn't that big at 170.

I see this fight basically being standup because Chuck dictates it stays there, and eventually he clips Hughes, and TKO's him.

Hughes had a decent chin, but at 170 not 205. Physics says he couldn't take shots from a guy 35 lbs bigger than him, and a guy who hit like a dump truck the way Chuck did.

Hughes isn't winning the standup battle, he's not winning the wrestling battle, and he's sure as hell not subbing Chuck.

Bad matchup for Hughes. Liddell wins by TKO.

JimJ77 Can't make it up said 07/21, 01:54 AM
Chuck is the best sprawl and brawl fighter in UFC history. Pure and simple Hughes is not taking him down. Guys like Couture and Ortiz had trouble taking Chuck down and Matt is going to to? You must be high.

I'm glad you read Chucks book, it has nothing to do with how this fight would go down.

Neither does Munoz, Bisping, or Sonnen's wrestling. Strange to even bring that up, again has nothing to do with this fight. You're grasping at straws.

Ooooo, Chuck admits to burning out in fights. That didn't prevent him from smashing Couture twice, Ortiz twice, Belfort, Alistair Overeem, and Randleman. Guys WAY bigger than Hughes.

You're telling me Hughes would be more successful with his wrestling than Couture, Ortiz, and Randleman? Stop with that nonsense.

Listen, here's the thing, you took the wrong fighter to argue with. It happens to the best of us. But you simply haven't proven that Hughes could beat Liddell.

You admitted that Chuck's takedown defense is legendary, and Hughes only path to victory is takedowns. Good luck with that.

Also good luck with hoping Chuck gasses against a way smaller opponent. Chuck easily TKO's Hughes. Please Dave, stop it.

JimJ77 Can't make it up said 07/22, 10:36 AM
You want some stats? How about this one? Chuck Liddell is 8th all time in the UFC in takedown defense. He stops takedowns 83.6% of the time.

And he stops those takedowns at 205. Here is the point you're missing in this TD. Chuck is TWO weight classes above Hughes.

There's a reason why weight classes were instituted. Because it would be totally unfair for a 205 fighter to fight a 170 fighter. Now, not only are you making an unfair fight, you're trying to sell the smaller guy winning.

It's just not happening. You can tell me this guy took Chuck down or that guy took Chuck down, but thats just reaching. Chuck had amazing takedown defense which the stats back up, and he did it at 205.

Hughes had trouble taking BJ Penn down, a natural 155er and he's going to take a 205er down with GREAT takedown defense?

Hughes was simply too small to deal with Liddell. He wouldn't be able to take him down, and he would get totally blasted on the feet. On the feet, Liddell was an animal and Hughes was just not good.

On the feet its a total mismatch, in the size department its a total mismatch. Hughes isn't taking Chuck down, so how does Hughes win? Answer. He's not.

Chuck wins.