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  • 07/25/2012, 04:30PM ET

The NCAAs Penalties on Penn State are not only Just but Necessary

Frank Pentangeli (138-393-25) vs AlterBoy (4-4-1)
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The punishment always needs to fit the crime. In this case that isnt possible.

Any talk of the NCAA now having a precedent or any comparison to other issues in College Sports are completely irrelevant as nothing compares.

The bottom line is this:

Penn State covered this up collectively to protect against brand damage and financial loss. Now the precedent is there that the loss is greater because of the cover up. This will work to prevent any future cover ups in the future.

What the NCAA did is correct. Maybe not enough, but nonetheless the right thing.


Since you have taken such a difficult position, I will challenge a small point.

First, there can never be a punishment that truly and completely fits the crime, so it is about coming as close as you can, hopefully without going too far.

In this particular case, it is brutally obvious the victims, (Penn St fans, players and Paterno family, I'm not talking about you, I'm talking about the boys that were brutally abused and ignored) can never be made whole. No collective punishments to the school and Sandusky, or compensation will ever make up for what they had to endure.

Precedent, are you kidding? There are many examples in college athletics of schools being punished for covering up violations and illegal activity. Yes this was unprecedented in the atrocities that were committed, but we hardly needed this example to now be warned about how severe the penalties could be. Recently Ohio St. was hit hard for a very minor cover up in comparison.

I argue that they have not done enough. I say that there is one group here that has not been punished enough. I think there is one more step that needs to be taken.

The NCAA did not do enough, so you are wrong. Take a stand.


You could have actually argued the TD or left it to someone who may have wanted to


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No argument.

July 25, 2012  04:41 PM ET

okay...?

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July 25, 2012  06:37 PM ET

Can we just move on?

July 25, 2012  07:03 PM ET

The punishment is appropriate, but I think should have been done by Penn State themselves. I don't think the NCAA should have gotten involved, as it didnt contribute to the Football "on field" program.

July 25, 2012  10:53 PM ET

"Penn State covered this up collectively to protect against brand damage and financial loss"

Is this not exactly what the NCAA doing too? Protecting their brand. It is all too obvious that the NCAA cares about nothing but protecting their money by punishing, indiscriminately, a wide range of people who had nothing to do with the crimes that were committed.

July 26, 2012  08:09 AM ET

I agree with the money part (could have been higher), I agree with vacating the wins since that was what apparently drove JoePa towards the end. You'll never convince me that it was a coincidence that the story broke 2 weeks AFTER JoePa broke Robinson's record. But the scholarships + bowl ban? not sure it wasn't excessive, I just want the season to start so we can move forward with the hope that the kids destroy PSU's athletic surplus in the civil courts

July 26, 2012  09:51 AM ET
QUOTE(#7):

I agree with the money part (could have been higher), I agree with vacating the wins since that was what apparently drove JoePa towards the end. You'll never convince me that it was a coincidence that the story broke 2 weeks AFTER JoePa broke Robinson's record. But the scholarships + bowl ban? not sure it wasn't excessive, I just want the season to start so we can move forward with the hope that the kids destroy PSU's athletic surplus in the civil courts

The story didn't break, that is when they (the Pennsylvania Attorney General's Office) decided to arrest Sandusky.

Are you suggesting that the Pennsylvania Attorney General's Office purposefully allowed a child molester to be free so a football coach could gain more wins? If so, then I think this scandal goes beyond Penn State and the political officials in PA need to be held responsible also. The current Gov. was Attorney General of PA..... just saying.

July 26, 2012  09:56 AM ET

As a Penn State graduate, what upsets me the most is the nonsensical focus on football. We have the alumni and students complaining that the NCAA was to hard on us. We have outsiders saying the NCAA did the right thing, blah blah blah. Honestly, who cares?

There are two issues here:

(1) Children were raped and the rapist was covered up by the top administrators and football coach.

(2) The Penn State name has been soiled forever by these top administrators inaction.

Instead of focusing on these two issues, ALL we talk about is football. It is insane. I would much rather the alumni and students to stand up and say "We Are Still Penn State", still have Penn State pride, and we will show the country that we are good people and that Joe Paterno DID NOT represent us. But no, all we do is complain about football and the NCAA.

July 26, 2012  05:46 PM ET
QUOTE(#9):

As a Penn State graduate, what upsets me the most is the nonsensical focus on football. We have the alumni and students complaining that the NCAA was to hard on us. We have outsiders saying the NCAA did the right thing, blah blah blah. Honestly, who cares?There are two issues here: (1) Children were raped and the rapist was covered up by the top administrators and football coach. (2) The Penn State name has been soiled forever by these top administrators inaction. Instead of focusing on these two issues, ALL we talk about is football. It is insane. I would much rather the alumni and students to stand up and say "We Are Still Penn State", still have Penn State pride, and we will show the country that we are good people and that Joe Paterno DID NOT represent us. But no, all we do is complain about football and the NCAA.

That is but one problem with the NCAA penalties, they focus on football, as if football were to blame. If football is to blame then the NCAA itself is to blame as well. It is their money machine...

July 26, 2012  06:58 PM ET
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That is but one problem with the NCAA penalties, they focus on football, as if football were to blame. If football is to blame then the NCAA itself is to blame as well. It is their money machine...

Paterno' family agrees. They think the women's badminton team needs to be shut down for 4 years instead.

Come on, really?

July 26, 2012  09:43 PM ET
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Can we just move on?

Can the victims ever move on!?

<insert cliche self-righteous soapbox rant here>

July 27, 2012  12:18 AM ET
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Paterno' family agrees. They think the women's badminton team needs to be shut down for 4 years instead.Come on, really?

I'm pretty sure you missed my point

July 27, 2012  01:35 AM ET

Frank's first argument:

"What the NCAA did is correct. Maybe not enough, but nonetheless the right thing."

AlterBoy's first argument:

"The NCAA did not do enough, so you are wrong."

In spite of that... this topic is old news. Stop beating the dead horse. I think everyone knows the issue that took place by now.

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July 29, 2012  12:27 PM ET
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The story didn't break, that is when they (the Pennsylvania Attorney General's Office) decided to arrest Sandusky.Are you suggesting that the Pennsylvania Attorney General's Office purposefully allowed a child molester to be free so a football coach could gain more wins? If so, then I think this scandal goes beyond Penn State and the political officials in PA need to be held responsible also. The current Gov. was Attorney General of PA..... just saying.

ok, so they waited 2 weeks after the record was broken to arrest Sanduski? and that was apparently just a happy coincidence for JoePa's pursuit of the record? ok, now it's all clear, how foolish of me to have suggested otherwise

July 29, 2012  12:50 PM ET
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and we will show the country that we are good people and that Joe Paterno DID NOT represent us.

Baloney. In one of the worst cases of coach worship ever, he not only represented you, he was THE shot-caller in State College; the wizard behind the curtain.

July 30, 2012  12:16 PM ET

Left seems to have a rather unhealthy interest in this awful episode. It is somewhat disturbing.

 
July 30, 2012  12:38 PM ET
QUOTE(#9):

As a Penn State graduate, what upsets me the most is the nonsensical focus on football. We have the alumni and students complaining that the NCAA was to hard on us. We have outsiders saying the NCAA did the right thing, blah blah blah. Honestly, who cares?There are two issues here: (1) Children were raped and the rapist was covered up by the top administrators and football coach. (2) The Penn State name has been soiled forever by these top administrators inaction. Instead of focusing on these two issues, ALL we talk about is football. It is insane. I would much rather the alumni and students to stand up and say "We Are Still Penn State", still have Penn State pride, and we will show the country that we are good people and that Joe Paterno DID NOT represent us. But no, all we do is complain about football and the NCAA.

when Paterno was considered a saint, you PSU students were all too happy to let him represent you....you were all too willing to ride HIS coattails of success without meriting it on your own....well, now you get to suffer for riding his jockstrap for all that time...

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