- 07/25/2012, 09:19PM ET
Confucius. Trout said 07/25, 09:19 PM
EASILY the AL Mvp.
Leading the AL in Average, Steals, Runs, 3rd in OBP (as a lead-off hitter), 16 Homeruns, and he's 2nd in OPS behind Ortiz.
Not to mention the Gold glove defense.
The power to speed combo is unbelievable, the guy has stolen 31 of 34 bases, while slugging .606
And the runs, I realize that's a stat that most people don't put much stock in, and normally I would agree, but it's a very good indicator of what kind of player he has been.
Really I don't know what else to say because I can't really think of an argument against Trout. Who else? Hamilton? He's fallen off a cliff the past 2 months, to the point where the team owner is taking shots at the way he plays the game.
Adam Dunn? GTFO.
Robinson Cano? Not over Trout.
Trout has completely rejuvinated an entire organization, no other players can say that this year.
Marlins Fan said 07/26, 04:05 PM
Trout's been fantastic. Best player in baseball-fantastic, if you ask most people. But there are a couple of factors working against him.
First off, he's a rookie. Granted there have been cases of rookies winning MVP in seasons past, but its a rare occurrence and baseball writers are weird enough where some will no doubt hold Trout's lack of experience against him.
There's also the standings. Its not set in stone that the MVP has to play for a pennant-winning team but it certainly helps. Last year when JV was being considered as a MVP candidate there was discussion about his merits as a pitcher compared to say, Ellsbury's merit as a position player for a non-pennant winking team. Verlander won, thanks in some part to his Tigers' first place finish as opposed to Boston's awful September collapse.
The third factor working against Trout is that he has another MVP candidate on his second place team. Mark Trumbo has compiled some nasty stats this year and the separation between Trout and himself isn't as great as people think. Conversely, guys like Cano, Cabrera and Hamilton have their teams in first place despite not playing with another MVP candidate.
Confucius. Trout said 07/27, 01:33 PM
Who cares that he's a rookie? Rookies have won before, Ichiro won fairly recently, even if you want to put an asterisk by it, and Trout's numbers are even better than Ichiro's were that year. The Mvp award should be awarded to the best player, and I would hope that sports writers appreciate what Trout is doing
Really? A-ROD WON IT ON A LAST PLACE TEAM and you're going to hold it against Mike Trout because he just has his team in the play-offs and not in first? Since Mike Trout got called up on April 28th the Angels have a 48-31 record 17 games over 500. Comparing Trout to Ellsbury last year makes no sense, Ellsbury was part of one of the most historic collapses in sports history that's why he lost it, not because Verlander was on a 1st place team.
Yes Trumbo is also good at baseball, but there's no doubt who was most responsible for the Angels success, it's Trout. And still not much of an argument, Did you forget that Cano plays on the YANKEES in a little league ball park? Cabrera has Fielder and Hamilton has Beltre and Kinsler. None of those players are single handedly carrying their team to the play-offs, no one can. This isn't the NBA.
Marlins Fan said 07/27, 05:15 PM
NBA? Little League? What?
All this hyperbole explains why you didn't understand my argument.
No whit Trout is the MVP. You yourself said there wasn't even anyone else who you could think of as a real challenger. This was a homerism-driven easy win attempt, which is why I took the only possible alternative and mentioned a few points that might POSSIBLY detract from Trout's MVP chances.
As I said in my first argument, its not set in stone that a rookie cant be MVP. Its not a guarantee that the MVP will come from a division winner. And yes, its possible and even likely that Trumbo will hurt Trout's MVP chances, if for no other reason than that he will steal some votes from his teammate.
But the bottom line is that this is an easy win attempt. Trout has the best collective numbers of anybody in the AL, therefore its logical to assume that as of right now he has the best chance to won the award.
What were you expecting from an opposing argument? Somebody dumb enough to say that Trout isn't good at baseball?
Come on, man.
Confucius. Trout said 07/27, 08:26 PM
So now you're agreeing with me.
This is not an easy win attempt, you can make an argument for other players, you could argue that players like David Ortiz and Josh Hamilton's power numbers make them more valuable, but instead you decided to take the easy way out and just accuse me of going for an easy win attempt instead of actually trying to debate.
You could've tried to use the fact that Josh Hamilton's team is in first, i don't think it's a valid point, but others might.
You could've argued that Trout has more protection in the line-up than others, like you kind of did, Hunter, Pujols and Trumbo 2-3-4 in the Angels line-up.
You might've even brought up that no lead-off hitter has won the Mvp since Henderson, and could've tried to prove that henderson had a much bigger impact on his team than Trout, to try to trick the voters (something I've noticed you do A LOT).
But no, you did none of that, instead you pulled the dick move. Which is weird considering you were WINNING when you made that argument, so clearly you were doing a better job than you thought.
Marlins Fan said 07/27, 09:29 PM
Well its not just that I agree with you (which I do, obviously) but EVERYBODY agrees with you. MLB is a numbers game, more than any other sport. And all the numbers, or stats, prove that Trout has been the Most Valuable Player. So all that's left for me to do is poke holes in your reasoning, which I did in my first argument, or bring up hypothetical situations in which Trout might lose. For example, if Cabrera or Hamilton go on a tear over the last couple months then they might surpass Trout. But that's a weak argument so I'm not gonna even try.
I probably overreacted in my second argument. If so, my bad. I thought it was a given that everybody knows Trout is the leading candidate so far, though.
Anyhoo, going back to my previous tactic, I think the only way Trout doesn't win the award (except for injuries) is if the voters hold some kind of bias against him. Like I mentioned previously, that could be because hes a rookie, or because his team misses the playoffs, but the most likely of those scenarios is the Trumbo factor, IMO.
If Trout and Trumbo finish as strong as they've started then they will take votes from each other. Otherwise Trout wins.
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