- 08/01/2012, 10:59PM ET
CuntryBlumpkin said 08/01, 10:59 PM
Once again, good luck WWJ.
There were a few teams I considered, but in the end I had to go with the Arizona Diamondbacks.
They did add Chris Johnson to play third. Not a bad move, but they did have Willie Bloomquist playing third, who was having a very nice season filling in for Stephen Drew and taking over for Ryan Roberts.
Plus offense wasn't the concern for the Dbacks. Despite the struggles of Chris Young and Justin Upton, they are still tied for the third most runs scored in the NL, and are among the top teams when it comes to hitting with RISP.
What the DBacks needed was a starting pitcher. Daniel Hudson is out for the season, Ian Kennedy hasn't had a good season. There were all kinds of rumors circulating about the DBacks being involved in a blockbuster trade to bring in a top of the line starter, but nothing came through.
The only move they made that involved a pitcher was trading Craig Breslow, a very solid reliever to Boston for another very solid reliever in Matt Albors, along with Scoot Podsednik who hasn't been relevant in years.
The Dbacks are still very much in the race, but did nothing to improve their biggest need.
williewilliejuan said 08/01, 11:43 PM
While I'm sure the DBacks could have done more, they were not even close to the most disappointing deadline team. That honor goes to the Miami Marlins.
Imagine that you're a Marlins fan - I know, it's hard:
This season you finally get a new stadium and get out of that dump formerly known as Joe Robbie. Your team is extremely active in the offseason, picking up Jose Reyes, Heath Bell, and they make a serious run at Albert Pujols. You buy season tickets. The team gets new uniforms, so you buy a bunch of clothing in which you can be equally comfortable at a home game or a pride parade.
OK. That last part kinda sucks, but you should still have high hopes for the season...
Your team is still in contention at the All-Star break. They pick up Carlos Lee from the Astros to give you more power out of your corner infielders. Then...
They do it again. They trade (or try to trade) damn near everyone. Hanley Ramirez? Gone. Omar Infante? Gone. Anibel Sanchez? Gone. Gaby Sanchez? Gone.
They dangled Josh Johnson. They dangled Heath Bell. They dangled Carlos Lee (who they just got!!).
In the end, all you have are dashed expectations and some really ugly new clothes.
CuntryBlumpkin said 08/01, 11:54 PM
The Marlins have had a disappointing season, no doubt, but I don't think they were a disappointment at the trade deadline.
The Marlins added Carlos Lee in hopes that he could help turn their season around, and it didn't work. It was clear that the season was over for all intents and purposes.
They traded Hanley Ramirez, but got a decent starting pitcher in return, who is on the club now, and the Dodgers are paying all of Hanley's 40 million dollar salary for a guy who has been a major let down the last two seasons. They got a good return for Hanley and have a lot of money off the books to spend this offseason.
Infante and Sanchez are both free agents after the season, and they got a highly though of pitching prospect, Jacob Turner and two other prospects in return. And Gabby Sanchez has spent most of the season in AAA due to poor play, easy decision to get what they could for him.
Josh Johnson wasn't dangled, they made it clear that they would expect an unrealistic return.
The Marlins did the right thing, clear up money to spend next season and get a return on player they were likely to lose anyways.
The Dbacks failed to improve their biggest need.
williewilliejuan said 08/02, 12:10 PM
Quick question: Who were the Diamondbacks supposed to get? It's not like there was a flood of topline starting pitchers moving at the deadline. Greinke? Dempster? They were right not to get into the Greinke sweepstakes and I don't believe the DBacks were a team to which Dempster would have approved a trade. What would they have had to give up to get someone? While the DBacks could have used an arm, there just wasn't a viable trade out there to get one.
How many times can the Marlins ownership go to this well? How many times can they pull this bait and switch on the fans of the Marlins before all three of them take their allegiances elsewhere? They can't tell the fans they're building a team to compete and then just tear it down and go into "rebuilding" mode four months later.
This isn't the same situation as a team like the Astros, who made a lot of moves and picked up a bunch of prospects. The Marlins promised their fans it would be different this time. They convinced the taxpayers of a very broke state to build them a new stadium. They said all the right things and got the fans excited about Miami baseball, but in the end it was all a lie. That's disappointing.
CuntryBlumpkin said 08/02, 12:53 PM
I don't know who the Dbacks could have got, but apparently they had their eye on someone. There was talk all day Tuesday about a developing blockbuster trade involving a pitcher above Garza headed to the Dbacks. The most popular rumor was James Shields. But any pitcher that was available would have been an upgrade over what they have. When you're still in the hunt, but in third place, you need to make something happen.
Trading away one of your best relievers for another good reliever and a has been outfielder isn't exactly going for it, and adding Johnson was a decent move, but again, their offense wasn't an issue and Bloomquist was doing just fine.
You're forgetting the Marlins still have the core of their team, Reyes, Johnson, Stanton, Buehrle, etc are all still Marlins.
The Marlins traded away two expiring contracts to the Tigers and got a a decent prospect and a couple more in return.
They got somebody to take Hanley's contract, and Hanley had worn his welcome out in Miami.
The Marlins are built to try again next season, they just have more money to spend and got something for players that were likely gone at season's end.
williewilliejuan said 08/02, 09:24 PM
So...you're disappointed because a team explored possible deals, but couldn't find one that made sense? Sometimes the best deal is the one you don't make. If all of the potential trade options would have meant emptying out the farm system or trading someone like Upton, they were better off standing pat.
The Dbacks are only 2 games back in the West and are certainly playing better baseball now than either the Dodgers or Giants. They could win the West even without picking up another pitcher. With the team playing as well as it is, I wouldn't be disappointed in them at all if I was a Dback fan.
You're missing the larger message the Marlins just sent their fanbase. They were promised that the boom or bust years of the past were over. They were promised that ownership was building a team and the periodic fire sales weren't going to happen any longer. Then they held a fire sale.
I don't why it continues to be a disappointment when someone who has lied to you in the past lies to you again, but it is. Marlins fans have been duped, taken for granted and they've been lied to once again. That's much more disappointing than failing to find a deal that works for your team.
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