- 08/13/2012, 06:10PM ET
Outlaw... said 08/13, 06:10 PM
If the season ended today, who should win the NL Cy Young award?
I narrowed my choices down to three. Jordan Zimmermann, Johnny Cueto and RA Dickey.
In the end I have to go with Jordan Zimmermann, the real ace of the Nationals.
Zimmermann doesn't lead the league in any one category, he isn't striking out 20 batters a game, but across the board he is having a great season.
He has the second best ERA in the league posting a 2.35 mark. His WHIP of 1.060 is good enough for 5th in the NL.
As a matter of fact, the only categories where he doesn't rank in the top 10 are strikeouts and wins, and for the strikeouts, he's 6th in the league in K:BB ratio.
Zimmermann has flew under the radar this season thanks to other members of the Nats' roation, but the fact of the matter is, Zimmermann has out performed both Strasburg and Zimmermann.
Dickey has had a great season, but Zimmermann holds a significant advantage in ERA, and while Cueto has a comparable ERA, his WHIP is very high compared to Zimmermann's.
As of now, Zimmermann has been the best pitcher in the NL.
Justin Cyder said 08/13, 06:18 PM
I'm going with R.A. Dickey.
#4 in era with a 2,72
#1 in Whip with a 1.004
#2 innings pitched with 162.1 which is only 1/3 of an inning behind Kershaw for #1
#1 in K's with 166
I usually don't take winning percentage into account but the guy is 15-3 on a team that is below 500. So he leads the NL in wins as well.
This year, R.A. has been the best pitcher in the NL.
Outlaw... said 08/14, 09:41 AM
Dickey has had a fine season, no doubt, but as far as I'm concerned, ERA is the most important stat for a starting pitcher. Not allowing runs, giving your team a chance to win is the main objective.
Zimmermann has a significant advantage in ERA. Nearly .4 runs better.
The stats where Dickey leads Zimmermann are not overwhelming advantages. The difference in WHIP is very slim. A WHIP of under 1.1 is excellent, and both fall in there.
The only significant advantage Dickey has over Zimmermann is strikeouts. Fact is, Zimmermann isn't a strikeout pitcher. There is more than one way to get a batter out, and a groundout is just as good as a strikeout. If you look at the strikeout to walk ratio, the two are very close together. Zimmermanns is 4.4 K's per BB to 4.6 for Dickey.
Innings pitched is a product of the style of pitcher Dickey is, knuckleballers tend to go deeper in games, but they are not the end all be all. It's not like Zimmermann is just pitching 5 innings and is done every start. He's averaging over 6 innings a start.
Zimmermann has 20 quality starts in 23 starts. Dickey has 18 in 23 starts.
Zimmermann deserves the Cy Young as of now.
Justin Cyder said 08/14, 11:13 AM
ERA is important but sometimes you don't have as much control over it as you think. The Mets are awful defensively. Although unearned runs don't count against you, balls your inept defenders don't get to do and double plays turned into one out through bad defense also does. The errors also lengthen the amount of pitches you need to throw. The Mets inept defense has cost Dickey ERA points and quality starts.
Zimmerman has a fine defense behind him (Ranked 10th) while Dickey is dealing with a disaster (ranked 24th). Washington has committed 66 errors ascompared to 80 for the Mets. Guys like David Murphy at 2nd and Duda simply do not get to balls and make errors when they do. Dickey was without his SS for 45 games and without his starting CF for 30.
You mention the minor difference in BB's but Dickey has struck out 1/3 more batters than Zimmerman (166 for Dickey, 110 ZImmerman).That is a huge diffence
You say era is the most important stat but the pitchers job is to keep their team in the game and give them a chance to win. No onehas done that better than Dickey and he's doing it with almost no help. He's 15-3 on a bad team with no defense and no bullpen.
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