- 08/15/2012, 03:31PM ET
OlderthanDirt said 08/15, 03:40 PM
Just when we think we have seen the last of the roiders or PED users, this crap happens.
If anyone remembers though, about two months back I made a comment on someone's TD that something was up with Melky. I based my comment on the fact that he had not done crap-o-la all the way through his Atlanta season.
Now all of a sudden he goes from averaging OPS+ of sub 90's to 121 last year and now 158 this year? Give me a break.
We are talking about a guy that NEVER had over 150 hits in a season and now he is leading the Majors with a 159 this season?
This is kind of a two part TD. IF you think Melky is innocent of the allegations - Throw Down. OR, even if you do not think it is a apparently obvious as it has been - TD.
Second Part: Who's Next? Is it going to come to past at some point that Joey Bats gets caught or will it be someone else?
Bautista has been on my radar scope as suspcious for a couple of years now.
Even though he has not blown up like Bonds did, there is something still not right with his numbers.
Do YOU think differently? You know what to do.
Argos. said 08/15, 04:42 PM
You're being a moron.
This is Jose's third season of awesomeness. He was tested 16 times in the two seasons prior to this season! If he was going to test positive, he would have been now.
Jose is also a skinny guy for a slugger. He is smaller than most pitchers!
Jose always had talent and could always hit a fastball, but could never ever catch up to one. He had a well documented change in his approach, by adding a leg kick and starting his swing a lot earlier, and it worked and got his timing down. This change, thanks to Dwayne Murphy, is the reason for his power. The same things that they have done with other Jays, such as EE, Rasmus, & Wells (when he was good). The change, plus consistent playing time for the first time in his career are the reason for the HRs.
Why else would his power numbers appear mid-season when it all began? Jose's power numbers started when he made the change in September of 2009, when he hit 10 HR in his final 98 at-bats. Then his power from his new swing carried over into 2010, when he hit 54. I don't think a player would just start steroids at the end of a season, and the results just appear that fast. Usually it starts in the off-season.
OlderthanDirt said 08/15, 05:46 PM
A player can take all the new approaches in the world and it does NOT juice his numbers by over 100%. He went from NEVER having reached 250 TB in a season to leading the league with 351 that so called break out year.
Show me more than two other examples in MLB history where some player hit 50+ HRs in a season without having hit at LEAST 20 HR in at least 1 season prior?
At the rate that he has been hitting HRs the past three years makes him statistically a more powerful HR hitter than the Babe.
When a player hits 36% - 40% of his hits for HRs that is better than any of the greats ever did. And its not just HRs. He went from NEVER breaking the OPS+ 100 mark to averaging over 150 for this three year stretch.
Well, I for one am not buying it. You are trying to sell to me the fact that Jose has found the miracle cure for the HR swing and his name is Dwayne Murphy? Is this the same Dwayne Murphy that had a lifetime .246 BA and 166 HRs? Is that the guy? Just what did he discover after his playing career that helped Jose that massively?
I for one HOPE that I am wrong. But I also am a realist that believes if it walks like a duck, sounds like a duck..MTC
Argos. said 08/15, 06:08 PM
A new approach can do a lot. Usually a major approach change like the one Jose would be done in the minors, but he had enough talent that he could make the majors (even as a utility player) without being able to catch up to fastballs.
But now he can hit fastballs, cause he starts his swing sooner. Big change.
You can't give another example as extreme as Jose, because players don't make changes as big as Jose did in the bigs, they do it in the minors, but that doesn't mean it doesn't happen.
Murphy may not have had talent, but I don't see why that is important. Some of the best coaches of all-time never even played in the majors.
Look at another example, Murphy (along with Robinson Cano of all people) helped Encarnacion with a swing change. Last season, pre-swing change, he had 17 HR. This year, he is 3rd in baseball with already 30 HR.
Not like the power came out of no where. He always had the potential, and that is part of the reason why 5 teams wanted him, and played for so many teams. He also had 16 HR in only 117 games in 2006 (22 HR pace). He hit those, without ever being able to hit a fastball too!
OlderthanDirt said 08/16, 08:57 AM
There are flaws to your argument. Players at the Major League level do not have as big of change to make as one in Single A ball. They can already hit a fastball or they would not be there. It is recognition of the other offspeed stuff and the ability to adjust swing during the pitch that allows them to stay in the Majors.
I don't buy into all the, He adjusted his swing and now he can hit a fastball philosphy to account for the sudden surge in power. First of all, you are NOT giving credit to the pitching in the AL for making adjustments to his approach.
Do you think that pitcher after pitcher continues to try and sneak fastballs by him?
I'm sure they keep him honest but I'll bet a nickel to a donut he sees a bunch of offspeed crap.
Offspeed crap requires better timing, more patience and more discipline. And again, its not like he is hitting a ton of extra base hits. Your philosphy would indicate that his doubles and triples rate, as well as number of hits, should have risen accordingly. Well, they have not.
Remember folks, Barry Bonds NEVER failed a drug test either with all the testing he did.
BALCO was all about the non-traceable PED.
Thnks FN. GL
Argos. said 08/16, 12:05 PM
Bond never tested because MLB's current drug policy did not take place until 2006, and several changes have already been made to it. MLB now does more advanced testes for more substances, and starting this year even started testing blood.
Jose has a great eye at the plate, do steroids help him with that too? He had 100 walks in 2009, a MLB leading 154 last, and had 58 in 90 games this year. He swings at less than 25% of pitches outside the zone, which is one of the best in baseball.
And pitchers have made adjustments, as he now sees more pitches away and more outside the zone than ever before.
He couldn't catch up to a fastball, it is that simple. Now he can, and is showing his talent.
He is hitting more singles, doubles, and triples as well. He had a career .234 batting average prior to 2010, since he has a .274, and nearly as many doubles in the 2.5 seasons since as he had in the previous 6 years.
You still haven't explained why the HR totals spiked at the end of 2008 too, when he made the swing change. Or did he just start taking a magic pill, that worked instantly then...
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