- 08/21/2012, 09:06PM ET
The Sports Sociologist said 08/21, 09:06 PM
Hello All. This is my first time on this site. I must say, I have never seen a site quite like this. I look forward to using this sight to further advance both my writing skills and knowledge of sports, why getting an insight into the minds of fellow educated sports fans.
As a student pursing a sociology degree, I often find the connection between sports, media, and society very intriguing. With the technological advances in both cable television and the internet, along with the development of social media, the connection between, Fan, Athlete, and Team is at a place we have never seen. The intersection between loyalty (The Fan), Business (The Organization), and the goal of team sports (Winning), gives us an insight into many concepts that affect human thinking on a day to day level (Competitive, Cost Benefit Analysis, Irrational Behavior of Love, etc.). I look forward to getting some of your thoughts, as well as sharing some of my own.
For my First Throwdown.
Is it our business to know what really happened between Jason Pierre-Paul and Prince Amukamara? Should they have to explain what happened publicly?
My answer is No to each.
Marlins Fan said 08/22, 03:43 AM
I thought about TDing about this incident myself, albeit in a different manner. But I like the topic and welcome to TDing.
Anyway, yes, the circumstances surrounding the JPP-Amukamara incident should definitely be brought to light. Gazing on any level should not be tolerated by society and whenever an instance like this is made known the details should also be made known.
For one thing the Giants front office needs to hear about this so they can put a stop to any tomfoolery which may be occurring on their facilities or amongst their teammates.
Secondly, the League needs to hear about it so they can either issue some kind of discipline/punishment or make a rule saying behavior like this won't be tolerated. After the BountyGate scandal the last thing the NFL needs is another example of boorish behavior like this tarnishing their reputation even further.
For too long things have been out of sight, out of mind. Hazing, bounties... whatever it may be, its ti.e the stories were made known so the League feels compelled to deal with the problem.
Plus it's a liability issue. What happens if the NFL does nothing about this and Amukamara sues?
The Sports Sociologist said 08/22, 11:16 AM
What we are missing in this situation are facts. We have a short video that provides no context for the incident leaving us to speculate about what is actually going on. We can only attempt to decipher what we see in the video which I find unfair to the athletes involved.
The incident reminded me of Pulp Fiction restaurant scene with Mia and Vincent. Vincent asked her about the "foot massage" incident, in which she reveals it as a complete lie. "Why Marsellus threw Tony out that window is between Marsellus and Tony".
In theory, this could have had as much to do with hazing or bullying as it had to do with personal issues between the two. You can speculate as far as to say maybe Prince had it coming to him. If a video caught all the interaction between my friends and I, you may find our horseplay to be similar and possibly more egregious than that shown in the video. Young men do horseplay to the point of potential injury, so it's possible that this incident may be just that.
In the end, with no context, I believe this is non-issue that only concerns the Giants. My next argument will dig deeper into why this is a non-issue for those (including Goodell) not on the Giants.
Marlins Fan said 08/23, 03:42 AM
Totally agree with your first paragraph. We don't have all the facts. It's weird, we live in the information age but so much of the information we receive is merely 30 second clips of a random event; an event about which we know next to nothing, other than whatever the video itself shows us.
And therein lies the problem.
This technological information age that we live in dictates that we're going to continue seeing YouTube-like snippets of athletes' lives. These snapshots aren't going away, they're here to stay because this generation loves to video themself/their friends and post it somewhere on the internet, usually some conspicuous place like Facebook. Some of these videos will undoubtedly raises questions due to some type of seemingly ill-mannered conduct. Friends or followers or whatever you call them are going to see these videos, and we won't have all the facts. It's just like you said.
You asked if the involved parties should have to "explain what happened publicly". The answer is yes, my friend, as you yourself alluded to. As you said, all we have is a short video with no facts.
JPP and/or Amukamara should publicly explain what happened.
The Sports Sociologist said 08/23, 10:26 AM
If you and your wife got into a screaming fight in your yard, should you have to explain what happened to any witnesses?
Yes, your neighbors could speculate about what happened, but in the end that a private affair between you in your wife. Yes, your neighbors may be curious about the facts, but by no means are the entitled to them.
I believe fans and media curiosity leads them to believe that they have an sense of entitlement to certain information about athletes, that in other scenarios in life, would be left private. We don't know why JPP threw Prince in that pool, we just really want too.
Fans watch sports for the drama and entertainment of sport, along with rooting interest in certain teams, albeit rooting for a team to win or lose. In this situation, it had nothing to do with actual wins and losses, crossing into the realm of real life. Given that I believe this is an in-house issue. No arrest or injuries; just a video of a incident between two men. Being nosy neighbors doesn't entitle us to knowing anymore than what we already do, and our speculation shouldn't force explanation solely because this video went public.
This is New York Giants business, not ours.
Marlins Fan said 08/23, 10:30 PM
Are you serious? OF COURSE I would have to explain myself if there was video of me tossing my wife into a pool of ice water, or even just screaming at here really badly, which incidentally isn't what this TD is about.
Apparently this point is lost on some folks, but when video surfaces of parties doing seemingly bad/hurtful, you better believe society is gonna demand an explanation.
And that's exactly what we have here - it's a video of JPP seemingly hazing a teammate. He's physically manhandling the kid, and Amukamara didn't like it. The video clearly shows the angry look on Amukamara's face. His own teammates were yelling for him to stand up for himself. The video shows Amukamara's displeasure and the way he walks away as JPP curses at him, even calling him the "N" word.
Amukamara even addressed the incident, saying he didn't know why his teammates were picking on him and saying he doesn't like it or get it.
This type of perceived bullying should not at all be tolerated, and at the very least the parties involved (specifically JPP) shhould most definitely have to explain exactly why he was acting like an overgrown bully.
Not sure why you're so ok with it.
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