- 09/07/2012, 03:05AM ET
Menua said 09/07, 03:05 AM
For some reason after the Bounty Gate scandal people are thinking the Saints are not going to be as good. I can understand distractions to be one of the reasons to that argument but come on. Do you think a leader like Drew Brees, who just signed a fat extension with a city he has given everything to, is going to let Bounty Gate get to them? He will not. There are players who are referred to as "coaches on the field." Drew Brees is one of those guys. Their offensive personnel changed slightly. They lost Meachem and had some offensive line switches. The big change is on the defensive end. Defensive captain Jonathon Vilma received a full season length suspension. Also, Will Smith is suspended for the first four games. Yet, the Saints defense looks better this season than previous seasons. They upgraded the middle line backer position, headlined with the signing of Curtis Lofton. Their secondary is led by Jenkins and Harper at the safety positions and Greer and Robinson at the corner. With their offense and special teams at their same level and an upgraded defense with a new DC, the Saints should be considered Superbowl favorites, not a Wild Card team.
Marlins Fan said 09/07, 03:37 AM
I havent heard anybody say the Saints wont be as good this season. Matter of fact, I've been hearing a lot of the opposite... The Saints will be ok because they still have Brees... the coordinators know the system really well and there wont be much dropoff... too many offensive weapons to finish with a less than stellar record... et cetera.
Which I more or less agree with, or at the very least I can understand the reasoning.
What I don't agree with, however, is your claim that the Saints should be considered Super Bowl favorites.
I don't think that their roster is loaded to the point where we should automatically assume they're gonna be in the Super Bowl, and as far as extenuating factors such as coaching, well that's obviously a big unknown, and while the loss of Sean Payton may ultimately prove insignificant, it certainly isn't a selling point as far as convincing anybody that we should pencil in the Saints for a Super Bowl berth.
The Saints probably will be an offensive juggernaut once again in 2012, and they may very well end up being a Super Bowl team.
But there aren't any good reasons to, as you say, consider them the Super Bowl favorite.
Menua said 09/07, 03:48 AM
Well I have heard both sides. That they will do well and do poorly. This was more for the people who think they will not do well and for those who think the Panthers or Falcons will win the division. I believe the Saints have a better chance than the Packers, Patriots, Steelers, and whoever else you want to throw in. The big reason is because of Drew Brees. His leadership is remarkable. It is because of him the Saints have a chance in every single game regardless of their situation. If they are down two scores with 4 minutes left. It does not matter. His performance fuels his teammates. On both sides of the ball. He knows how to communicate and do it well. Listen to his pregame chant. I am sure you have seen or heard of it. It is amazing how he can get his teammates to get that pumped regardless of the stadium, home or away. All of his football skills and intangibles is what will make them contenders and should be considered favorites. Their offense is the best, in my opinion and their defense has shown they have improved. The Saints could have won last year had their defense not collapsed during the final drive against the 49ers.
Marlins Fan said 09/07, 10:50 PM
Well I just don't see how we can assume the Saints are more primed for a SB appearance than the Patriots, Packers, Steelers, 49ers, etc.
All of those teams are probably equally talented as the Saints (well that's debatable but you know what I mean; there isn't a huge gap in talent difference) and I don't see how on earth we could possibly separate one team from the pack and annoint them as the most likely team to play in the upcooming Super Bowl.
You mentioned Brees' leadership, and while I don't want to take anything away from that, I do want to point out that there are plenty of other NFL teams with QBs who exhibit as much/more leadership than the Saints get from Brees.
For example, Brady has led his team to three Super Bowl victories. More than Brees, so...
Peyton Manning is an unquestioned leader. Probably more so than Brees.
Aaron Rodgers is a more talented player and no doubt has full control of the Green Bay locker room.
Heck even Ben Roethlisberger has led his team to more Super Bowl victories than Drew Brees has done with his team.
Point being, there are a lot of good QBs and a lot of good teams and the Saints are just one of them.
Menua said 09/10, 03:43 PM
To say the last, that was a terrible game for the Saints. The defense was awful. They could not stop an offense that has no play makers. I am not counting RG3 because he just entered the league, and I am not going to make predictions off of one game. I need to see more before making that statement. I do not remember the last game I saw Drew Brees throw below 60% let alone 50%. However, does this change my position on how the Saints will do? No. I am not worried about Brees. He will come back with an extraordinary performance next week. The defense needs the help most. The offense had one bad game. The Saints were down by two scores and nearly came back. They could have been tied had Colston not fumbled the ball an inch away from the endzone. It was poor game. The Saints started 0-1 last year as well and finished 13-3 just like Brees said in his postgame conference. However, the Saints did show resiliency. They did fight back, led by Brees and the offense. If any game was going to be the hardest, I would say it would be the first. Now that they got it out of the way, they will be more relaxed and operate the way the Saints have been the past few years. Things will fall into place.
Marlins Fan said 09/10, 05:48 PM
Sean Payton is clearly a a bigger influence on his team's fortunes than you or I was previously aware of. The Saints looked completely unprepared yesterday, and regardless of the 32-point final tally the result of the game should have everyone associated with New Orleans worried.
The defense was nonexistent, the offense was extremely flat and out of sync, and the penalties and overall lack of mental focus was completely unacceptable and uncharacteristic of the Saints or any team with Super Bowl aspirations.
The Saints will use a total of two interim head coaches this year and all that unsettled-ness is going to be a distraction and a hindrance against cohesiveness. I would be extremely worried if I were a Saints fan. RGIII was great, but the Saints should NOT be losing to the Redskins, particularly on Opening Day, particularly when their collective backs are against the wall because of BountyGate and the following fallout.
NO needed to come out as a team and prove that they're capable of rising above the distractions. That didn't happen at all and I can guarantee you a lot of Saints players are questioning themselves and their teammates.
No SB, no division title.
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