- 09/24/2012, 06:42PM ET
Marlins Fan said 09/24, 06:42 PM
There's "What's your deal?" Part 2, also known as HandShakeGate, between Schwartz and Jim Harbaugh last year. Sportsmanship at it's finest. A true example for kids on how to end a game.
There's Detroit's complete lack of discipline, evidenced by Ndamukong Suh's head-stomp (among other, numerous transgressions) and the fact that since Schwartz became Head Coach in January, 2009 the Lions have been the NFL's most penalized team. The Lions also have the most personal fouls called against them during that stretch.
There's also the Lions' off-the-field problems, ranging from weed busts to weed busts to more weed busts to assault. Seven arrests in 2012, already. Pathetic.
But perhaps most damning is the incident from yesterday's Lions-Titans game. And I don't mean the play call. Sure, going for it on fourth down in OT (in FG range, and already down by a FG) is probably stupid, but whatever. I don't care about that.
It's how Schwartz handled the post-game situation. He blamed his players for a miscommunication. As if veteran C Dominic Raiola doesn't know the difference between going for it and trying to draw an offsides penalty.
Schwartz threw his players under the bus.
DetroitFan*: NYQUIST! said 09/25, 01:53 PM
In 2008, the Detroit Lions suffered an 0-16 season, they seemed hopeless.
The Lions brought in Jim Schwartz to fill the void at head coach. In his first season, 2009, the Detroit Lions finished 2-14 and fans were left with a glimpse of hope for the future.
In 2010, the Detroit Lions finished the season 6-10, yet another improvement for them. They also finished the year on a 4 game win streak and broke their 26 game road losing streak. This left the Lions and their fans with a lot of optimism for the next season.
Detroit's 2011 season was yet another huge step forward. They went 10-6 and became a playoff team. It was the first time in 12 years the Lions made it that far. As a Lions fan, not much more could have been asked for.
You can't just completely ignore the improvement that the Lions made under Jim Schwartz, that's ridiculous. Now, the off field troubles. Aaron Berry (arrested twice) and Johnny Culbreath (once) have been cut from the roster. Mikel LeShoure served his suspension and Nick Fairley's trial will take place on Sept 26. Ndamukong Suh has talked to Goodell since his stomp and showed his maturity on NFL Sunday on CBS, making a guest appearance.
Marlins Fan said 09/26, 03:13 AM
Any coach would see improvement after an 0-16 season. I mean there's nowhere to go but up. However, credit does indeed need to be given to Schwartz for taking over a winless team and somehow creating a playoff team out of that mess. As you said, we can't ignore the improvements the Lions have made under Schwartz.
We also can't ignore the complete lack of discipline. And that is where this TD sprung from - trying to weigh the positives of Schwartz' on the field impact vs. the negatives of his perceived lack of control over his players, ranging from off the field arrests to stupid penalties during games.
I was going to type a whole piece here about the "miscommunication" last weekend but after seeing Schwartz' comments in context I don't really have a problem with them anymore. So much for that whole angle.
In hindsight, Schwartz' positives probably still outweigh his negatives, so I'm pretty much just going to toss in the towel here. I should probably stop saying things on Sundays because sometimes my emotions get the best of me and then I wind up disagreeing with myself.
Anyhoo, sorry for ****-ing up your triumphant return. You deserved better.
DetroitFan*: NYQUIST! said 09/26, 11:46 AM
While it is true you can only improve after an 0-16 season, in 1999 Bobby Ross was the last coach to lead the Lions to the playoffs. Since then, the Lions have gone through 4 coaches before Jim Schwartz and none of them were able to help turn the franchise around.
Also, it is not easy for coordinators to become successful head coaches. In recent years, just look at coordinators like Scott Linehan, Cam Cameron, and Josh McDaniels. They didn't handle the transition to the head coaching position well. But Jim Schwartz was able to. He stands out from that group because he was able to help improve the Lions.
Yes, Jim Schwartz is a character and he will show his emotion during and after a game. But the media is not very helpful either by posting the craziest looking picture of Jim Schwartz they can find and say it was all his fault...
Disciplinary action has been taken; 3/7 arrests have been taken care of and are no longer on the team. Suh has been clean as of now as well. He is trying to take the "monster" title off of his name. Jim Schwartz can't babysit his players... NFL Stars will do some things and get caught. The Detroit Lions are just the flavor of the week right now.
Marlins Fan said 09/27, 02:23 AM
I've come to grips with my opinion on the this issue. There are two factors working against Schwartz, in my opinion. The first is the Lions' embarrassing track record of an overall lack of organizational discipline and the second is the image of Schwartz we see in the media and on TV during games. Schwartz just isn't a likable character to non-Lions fans and I think that makes it easier to dwell on his negative traits.
When debating whether or not to fire a coach the decision should always be made with the intention of increasing the odds of a better future.
That's why I still(again?) believe Schwartz is not the right HC for the Lions.
I believe there are other coaches out there who could also take the Lions to the playoffs with the roster they currently have. I believe there's a great chance of finding another coach who not only could accomplish that but could also make the Lions a respectable, likable organization, which would be great not only for PR purposes (increasing fan market) but also from a team standpoint. A lack of discipline usually points to selfishness. A better leader could help develop chemistry amongst the players.
Schwartz isn't the right HC.
DetroitFan*: NYQUIST! said 09/27, 09:41 AM
Your lack of discipline argument is running dry. The players that have had their trials have been suspended and or kicked off the team and there is one pending (Nick Fairley). What more do you want? Kick them out of the league for the year? As of now, 34 total NFL players have been arrested in 2012. It just goes to show you how much people ignore the obvious. None of that really matters though, because the media is focusing on the Lions because of how "crazy" Jim Schwartz is.
There are other coaches that can take the Lions roster to the playoffs they currently have, but would they want to go there? Every team has quirks that non-fans will not like, it is nothing new in this situation either.
I think there is another factor you can give Jim Schwartz credit for, and that is their acquisitions on the defense. Mostly regarding Kyle Vanden Bosch and Stephen Tulloch, a couple of their premier defensive players. They were under Schwartz before in their career, so he had to been part of their attraction to the team when they were signed.
Schwartz is a character, he is going to show emotion. It just shows that he is human, like everyone else.
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