- 11/12/2012, 04:28PM ET
Outlaw... said 11/12, 04:28 PM
I'm sure anyone that clicked on this TD knows what happened, so I won't go into detail about that.
And note the word SHOULD in the title.
My answer is simply nothing.
And let's be clear, I HATE Jeff Gordon
A couple years back, the heads said boys have at, and yesterday they had at it, while I think Jeff was clearly in the wrong, this is one of those things that is best settled on the track.
A fine won't do anything. Anything they fine him will be a drop in a swimming pool, it won't accomplish anything.
And what good would a suspension do? There's one race left, Jeff Gordon is eliminated from winning the championship, and a suspension now just means this thing will carry over into next season. The only thing a suspension accomplishes is denying Clint Bowyer a chance at payback next week.
Clint wrecks Jeff next week, there might be some more heat in the garage area, but the issue will be over and done with, and we won't have to worry about Bowyer dumping Gordon next year at Daytona and taking out 20 other cars.
Jeff made an ass of himself, but the only thing he needs to do is apologize to Joey Logano and Aric Almirola for collecting them in the wreck.
J-Business said 11/13, 02:51 AM
They can't just do "nothing".
My suggestion is a formal slap on the wrist, maybe in the form a financial penalty
Yes, Bowyer has been a thorn to Gordon but that doesn't mean he should have purposely taken him out, which actually led to accidents involving other cars.
NASCAR has to take an official stance against this because it's actually bigger than Gordon
It's about the integrity of the sport and also the safety of future drivers
Popular or not, if NASCAR does nothing about this, it will infuriate other teams and give precedence to other drivers to do the exact same thing, because after all "Number 24 got away with it and nothing happened"
I say a stiff financial penalty sends a good message but doesn't have any effect on the next races
Outlaw... said 11/13, 09:13 AM
All drivers in NASCAr laugh at fines. Rusty Wallace once paid his in pennies. A 6 figure fine to an 8 figure sports figure is an absolute joke. And if NASCAR fines Jeff Gordon, you know who's gonna pay it? Not Jeff Gordon,. it'll be his boss, Rick hendrick flipping the bill.
Once NASCAR said boys have at it, they had to expect things like this to happen. There's been countless forms of retaliation since Pemberton said this, and none of them have received penalties except Kyle Busch, and suspension was because it was under caution, and he literally drove Ron Hornaday head first into the wall, and Kyle was already on probation and under a microscope from an earlier incident involving Kevin Harvick and sending an unmanned car down pit road.
They didn't fine Jamie McMcMurray when he retaliated against Brian Vickers. They didn't fine Brian Vickers when he retaliated against Matt Kenseth or Tony Stewart.
Make him pay to fix the cars of Joey Logano and Aric Almirola, I could understand that, but fining jeff Gordon would be a joke and it would be a case of NASCAR going back on its word.
This definitely isn't the first time something like this has happened.
J-Business said 11/14, 12:04 AM
While the fine may nothing in the grand scheme of Gordon's financial status, at the very least it's an official reprimand.
What you're suggesting would make the entire situation far worse.
To do nothing is actually acknowledging that Gordon did absolutely nothing wrong and if someone else does the same exact thing, then there's also nothing wrong with it.
All of the guys you mentioned weren't fined because they basically took out one car and on top of that, they weren't one of the faces of the sport.
With Gordon, NASCAR has to at least send a public message that this kind of behavior isn't acceptable for two reasons
One - It's unprofessional
Two - It's dangerous
Keep in mind that most of the other racers had no idea that Gordon was about to take out Bowyer, so while they knew he was out of the race for some reason, they didn't expect to also become apart of the incident
Thus it's not just about Gordon, it's about the integrity of the sport and the other teams involved in NASCAR
Doing nothing would have been the wrong message
Outlaw... said 11/14, 05:36 PM
Sending the wrong message? I think you need a NASCAR history lesson. Retaliation has been a fixture in NASCAR since day one. The "If you hit me, I'm gonna hit you back twice as hard" mentality has been there since they first starting running of the beach of Daytona in the 40's.
Punishing Gordon for what happened on track is NASCAR going against it's history, and going against their call of Boys have at it.
They did nothing to Gordon when he and Jeff Burton got in a shoving match two years ago, they did nothing when he shoved Matt Kenseth, and they did nothing when he and Tony STewart were ready to kill each other. Why is this any different?
He thought he was wronged, he wasn't, but he thought he was, and he wanted to send a message, and he did. Maybe Richard Petty and Joe Gibbs should send Jeff a bill for their torn up race cars, but NASCAR should have stayed out of it.
The life blood of NASCAR is the fans. Do you think those 100,000 cheering fans in Phoenix who saw one of the more interesting things in NASCAR in a while wanted Jeff to be punished.
He and Bowyer need to settle it on the track.
J-Business said 11/17, 11:45 PM
There's a difference between settling it on the track and going after a guy, and making a boneheaded move that threatened numerous other drivers.
NASCAR has a reputation for allowing drivers to settle things amongst themselves, but this is when it only involves those two drivers and teams.
The fine isn't about the rivalry between Gordon and Bowyer but more about the fact that the incident involved a bunch of other teams and drivers.
In theory, yes only Gordon would lose out on points, but in reality all of the other drivers whose cars were taken out also missed points from the race and it will effect their position in standings
So if a few months down the road, a team is battling for position and the guy who was the 5th car taken out by Gordon misses out, it's a direct result of the incident
The point is that situations like this have to be treated bigger than the two teams because it actually involved more than just two teams
The fine was an appropriate slap on the risk and another driver will do the same, but at the least he'll be more careful to take out his target instead of the field.
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