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  • 01/09/2013, 11:57AM ET

Mike Piazza belongs in the Hall of Fame and should go on the first ballot

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Odds are that Mike Piazza will not make it into the Hall of Fame with the nominees currently being considered.

Statistically there is no case not to allow him into the Hall of Fame. He had no arm but he blocked the plate well and called a good game. He is however the best offensive catcher in history. The only argument that will be used will be steriods and PED's.

He is not mentioned in any leaked information of those who tested positive. Mcnamee and Rodomski have not mentioned him as a client and he appears on no Federal reports and was not been investigated when Balco was.

I don't believe you need the smoking gun to keep a guy out of the Hall. I wouldn't vote for Clemens or Bonds at this point and there are no definitive failed tests on them either. However, Bonds and Clemens had some of their best years at ages when most are winding down or already done. There is a mountain of evidence in the book "Game of Shadows" against Bonds and of course Canseco called them both out.

But where is the evidence...any evidence against Piazza? Should just the suggestion keep him out this time around?


Clemens never tested positive!

show me where he did?!

Also, Bonds def. used, but damn, his ****'N #'s, 7 mvps, 700 something homeruns.

So I def. disagree with you on that POINT.

If I had a vote, I'd vote for Clemens and Bonds.

Everybody gets all excited about the 'roids, but like John Kruk said last night, "you can't erase the era".

Bonds without steriods, probably woulda had Frank Thomas like numbers.

Clemens, cy young king, the "rocket", he might of juiced, but the tests say he never did.

Took this td, because everybody was soooo scared. Piazza is a hall of famer in my book, but some of your points arn't right, bottom line.


You've completely missed the point of my argument. It is a fact the writers did not vote in Piazza, Bonds and Clemens due to PED's. You can't statistically say they aren't H.O.F.'ers. It doesn't matter if I agree or not.
Clemens never tested positive but his personal trainer who was with him for years and his former best friend Andy Petitte said he did them. Look at Clemens #'s in 1999 and the first half of 2000. Horrible. McNamee is on the scene and now he's a beast again and ends up beaning Piazza and then throwing a bat at him in the World Series and remains a beast into his 40's. Enough evidence for me.
Bonds had an entire book written about his usage. It's backed up by Conte from Balco, his ex girlfriend and his trainer goes to jail for over a year for contempt rather than testify against him. And he went from 30 HR's a year to 80 and becomes a monster in hhis 40's.
Once again, enough evidence for me.
Where is any evidence against Piazza? Shouldn't there be at least something before not voting for the guy? He was a shell of himself at 33 like a catcher is suppossed to be. He got progressively worse as he got older.

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January 9, 2013  12:26 PM ET
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I agree he should be in, but so should Bonds and Clemens.

For you to say he should be in, but not Bonds nor Clemens is just stupid.

January 9, 2013  12:35 PM ET
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Originally posted 12:26 PM ET  01.09 by Argos.

I agree he should be in, but so should Bonds and Clemens.For you to say he should be in, but not Bonds nor Clemens is just stupid.

As usual you are a tool. If you are going to say you don't care about steroids fine, let them all in. If you care about such things there's enough accusations and evidence against Bonds and Clemens to make an argument to keep them out.
The facts are, and I've seen enough of your posts to know facts have no place with you, is Bonds, Sosa and Clemens will not be getting in this year. Not even close. So obviously the steroids issue is keeping them out.
Where is the evidence against Piazza as compared to the rest?

January 9, 2013  01:13 PM ET
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Agree with the fuzzy fellow on the left.

January 9, 2013  02:10 PM ET
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I guess he didn't make it. Maybe he'll get in in the next few years.

January 9, 2013  02:36 PM ET
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Originally posted 02:10 PM ET  01.09 by Mondo Jay

I guess he didn't make it. Maybe he'll get in in the next few years.

No one did. Sosa only got 12%. Guilt by association in Piazza's case.

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January 9, 2013  03:31 PM ET
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Originally posted 02:36 PM ET  01.09 by Justin Cyder

No one did. Sosa only got 12%. Guilt by association in Piazza's case.

It looks like Biggio's too.

January 9, 2013  03:49 PM ET
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Originally posted 03:31 PM ET  01.09 by Formerly from Ewa PGH Fan

It looks like Biggio's too.

Biggio played catcher, 2nd, short and CF and got 3000 hits, not sure why more people didn't vote for him.

January 9, 2013  04:17 PM ET
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Biggio should've gotten in. Piazza should've been elected in. Bonds & Clemens deserve to be elected as well. next year is going to be interesting.

January 9, 2013  04:35 PM ET
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All those years of Bonds treating the media (and fans) like crap is comming home to roost!

January 9, 2013  04:42 PM ET
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Originally posted 02:36 PM ET  01.09 by Justin Cyder

No one did. Sosa only got 12%. Guilt by association in Piazza's case.

I don't think it's guilt by association in his case. I think it has more to do with the old timers not wanting anyone to be a 1st ballot HoFer. I think it was more of a case of hanging on for too long that hurt him. Kinda like what happened with Yogi Bera.

January 9, 2013  05:02 PM ET
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Originally posted 04:42 PM ET  01.09 by jermur613

I don't think it's guilt by association in his case. I think it has more to do with the old timers not wanting anyone to be a 1st ballot HoFer. I think it was more of a case of hanging on for too long that hurt him. Kinda like what happened with Yogi Bera.

Some writers just wont vote for anyone the first time around. Willie Mays and Hank Aaron weren't unanimous votes.

January 9, 2013  05:21 PM ET
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Originally posted 05:02 PM ET  01.09 by Justin Cyder

Some writers just wont vote for anyone the first time around. Willie Mays and Hank Aaron weren't unanimous votes.

There's always that too. Piazza will get in next year. I think the bigger crime was Murphy not getting in. Another victim of his own success and sticking around too long.

January 9, 2013  05:48 PM ET
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Originally posted 05:02 PM ET  01.09 by Justin Cyder

Some writers just wont vote for anyone the first time around. Willie Mays and Hank Aaron weren't unanimous votes.

There will be at least 2, maybe 3 that get in on their first ballot next year.

January 9, 2013  05:48 PM ET
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Originally posted 05:21 PM ET  01.09 by jermur613

There's always that too. Piazza will get in next year. I think the bigger crime was Murphy not getting in. Another victim of his own success and sticking around too long.

I think Piazza should have got the nod this year, but I have some doubts about him getting in next year.

He will eventually, but if there are no first balloters voted in next year, there never will be again.

Maddux, Glavine, Frank Thomas, Jeff Kent and Mike Mussina all will be new to the ballot, and you still have the players from this year's ballot on the list next year.

January 9, 2013  05:51 PM ET
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Originally posted 05:48 PM ET  01.09 by Outlaw...

I think Piazza should have got the nod this year, but I have some doubts about him getting in next year.He will eventually, but if there are no first balloters voted in next year, there never will be again.Maddux, Glavine, Frank Thomas, Jeff Kent and Mike Mussina all will be new to the ballot, and you still have the players from this year's ballot on the list next year.

If Frank Thomas doesn't make it first ballot it'll be a travesty. I've never heard anyone connect him to steroids and he was arguably the best offensive player in the sport for a 6 or 7 year period.

January 9, 2013  05:53 PM ET
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Originally posted 05:48 PM ET  01.09 by Outlaw...

I think Piazza should have got the nod this year, but I have some doubts about him getting in next year.He will eventually, but if there are no first balloters voted in next year, there never will be again.Maddux, Glavine, Frank Thomas, Jeff Kent and Mike Mussina all will be new to the ballot, and you still have the players from this year's ballot on the list next year.

Maddox and Thomas are shoe-ins. Glavine maybe, maybe not (on the first ballot). The other first timers don't have a shot.

January 9, 2013  05:56 PM ET
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Originally posted 05:51 PM ET  01.09 by Justin Cyder

If Frank Thomas doesn't make it first ballot it'll be a travesty. I've never heard anyone connect him to steroids and he was arguably the best offensive player in the sport for a 6 or 7 year period.

Frank Thomas was very vocal about being opposed to steroids and PEDs. If any power hitter is above suspicion, it's Thomas.

Maddux and Thomas should both be, and while Glavine isn't as deserving, I think the fact that he's a presumed clean 300 game winner will get him in next year.

January 9, 2013  05:58 PM ET
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Originally posted 05:53 PM ET  01.09 by MattUSA

Maddox and Thomas are shoe-ins. Glavine maybe, maybe not (on the first ballot). The other first timers don't have a shot.

The other first timers won't be first ballot, but I think Kent and Mussina will get in eventually.

 
January 9, 2013  06:03 PM ET
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Originally posted 05:58 PM ET  01.09 by Outlaw...

The other first timers won't be first ballot, but I think Kent and Mussina will get in eventually.

I think Kent Kent will get voted in. Mussina (like Morris) will have to count on the veterans committee. (imo)

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