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Tom Brady will NOT retire as a Patriot as long as Belicheat is the HC
Goodell 2.0 said 01/22, 05:32 PM
Brady will not retire a Patriot as long as Belicheat is the HC for 1 simple reason.
Regardless of who you are, if you are a member of the pats and someone can do what you do for a cheaper price, then you will be cut or traded.
Look at Richard Seymor, Drew Bledsoe, Randy Moss, Ty Warren, Jim Plunkett, Lawyer Milloy, Asante Samuel, Willie McGinest, Mike Vrabel, Ted Washington and Dan Koppen just to name a few. Curtis Martin was OROY in 1995 and off the team after 3 seasons. All extremely productive and had alot of football left in the tank when they were sent packing(Except maybe Moss) Deion Branch as well but Im sure his 2nd run with the Pats is about over. Wes Welker is probably gone in the offseason as well. The Patriots have shown absolutely ZERO loyalty to any player regardless of postion and pay scale. Im not looking at normanl churning of the bottom of the roster....These guys were NOT role players or special teammers. They were major contributors to a
Thats why Brady....Just like Manning, Favre, Montana and Namath wont retire with the team he made
Dyhard is a certified stoner said 01/22, 10:06 PM
Welcome back to the site but I do have to disagree with you. While they has been a history of players they've let go, I think that Belichick only looks out for the best of the team. While they can get someone for a cheaper price at a skill position, they will not get someone at a cheaper price for their quarterback and replace Tom Brady. You aren't going to find someone who is one of the best quarterbacks in the league.
The only people who are comparable to Tom Brady are Aaron Rodgers, Peyton Manning and Drew Brees. You get rid of Brady and the whole offense is going to take a huge hit. They can get rid of other pieces to their puzzle because Brady will make anybody he has better. But you can't get rid of Brady. New England lets him go, they can't rely on their WRs they have and they can't let anyone else go. With Brady, they can let other players go, replace them for cheaper players and still have a very good team.
Right now, they're favorites to win the Super Bowl for 2014 at 4-1 odds. You get rid of Tom Brady, you can kiss that good bye. Even if they change other positions, they NEED Brady and Brady won't go anywhere else. Why would he? Why should he?
Goodell 2.0 said 01/22, 11:31 PM
"While they can get someone for a cheaper price at a skill position, they will not get someone at a cheaper price for their quarterback and replace Tom Brady. You aren't going to find someone who is one of the best quarterbacks in the league. "
You forget that Drew Bledsoe was the franchise QB in New England and did absolutely NOTHING to loose his job but get hurt. And when he did they had Brady who was SIGNIFICANTLY cheaper to take over, they made the move.
You also forget Lawyer Milloy who was a team captian in 2002 and fresh off a probowl nod, not to mention a member of the 90's and 2000 NFL all decade team.....He was RELEASED 5 DAYS before the start of the 2003 season after making the Probowl and the 1st team all pro (AFC)
Richard Seymour had 5 all pro nods before getting traded....
Curtis Martin was only 3 years into his pro career when they traded him. He is the only person not named Barry Sanders to have 1000 yards rushing in 10 consecutive seasons, and was 10 times the receiver that Barry Sanders was
Tom Brady is just the next in a long list of players the players to be cut by the pats. Hell, the Bills even cut Jim Kelly before he retired
Dyhard is a certified stoner said 01/23, 01:55 AM
And when he got hurt, who stepped in? Oh, that's right, Tom Brady. There was a reason that they got rid of Drew Bledsoe...Brady was right there and was BETTER than Bledsoe. Can you say the same thing about Mallet? Hell, I don't think Belichick trusts Mallet that much right now and I sure as hell know he won't be better than Brady or even at his skill level. So what reason would they have in getting rid of him? He's their offense!
They were trying to cut down Milloy's cap impact since the winter before they cut him and were unable to do so, so they released him. They haven't been trying to do any sort of the same thing with Brady right now and they haven't even talked about releasing him. As I've asked before, why would they? Just because they have a history of cutting players for cap reasons doesn't mean that they're going to do this with Tom Brady.
This team, without some of the players you mentioned, was still a contender for the Super Bowl. Without Brady, this team isn't. Do you think they're going to risk being a contender for the Super Bowl by cutting Brady for a measly couple of million in the cap when they can cut others to get the same result cap wise?
Goodell 2.0 said 01/23, 01:50 PM
LMFAO....
"Oh, that's right, Tom Brady. There was a reason that they got rid of Drew Bledsoe...Brady was right there and was BETTER than Bledsoe."
FALSE
When he was winning his SB rings, he was nothing more than a game manager. A average to slightly above average QB. Look at his numbers when the Pats were at thier best.
His first 7 years he never had more than 28 nTD's in a season and was good for 14 INTS a year. He NEVER averaged more than 250 yards passing in any season. Those are Carson Palmer numbers in his prime....Donovan McNabb numbers in his prime. How is this so much BETTER than Bledsoe? It's not....It really isnt
Whats crazy is when he was average, he won multiple Super Bowls. Now he is ELITE, and cant win ****.
"Just because they have a history of cutting players for cap reasons doesn't mean that they're going to do this with Tom Brady. "
Yes, it does actually. The time will come just like with Seymour when they realize that they wont keep him, and unload him for a 2nd or 3rd round pick to a team that is desperate. Thats what the pats have ALWAYS done, and will always do. It will probably be in 2-3 years when he is in the final year of his contract
Dyhard is a certified stoner said 01/23, 02:23 PM
I hope you're kidding. Brady is better than Bledsoe. There's absolutely no denying that. I question you're knowledge in the NFL if you claim that to be false. Brady is an elite quarterback and you can't just ditch him to the side for a cheaper player who is significantly worse. Without Brady, that offense is a shitshow.
Brady has been an elite quarterback and he has struggled with a terrible offensive line for a lot of his time in New England. Plus, just check out his stats in the post-season. You can't deny that he is a better QB than Bledsoe was.
This is an entire different scenario than what it was when Bledsoe was with NE and had Brady behind him. Brady is one of the best QBs in the league. Bledsoe wasn't a sure-lock HoF and he didn't have a questionable player sitting behind him like Mallet. You can see it when Mallet plays, he isn't on Brady's level or close to it.
Seymour was hell over his deal and they needed to get rid of him. Plus, he wasn't a signature piece to their team in where his loss would mean a destruction of the team like Brady's loss would be. Brady is gonna retire in New England. NE or Belichick aren't that stupid.
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thanks for the welcome....good to be back
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sorry Milloy was not a member of the NFL all decade team, just the patsies
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I saw the correction in the comments, otherwise I would've corrected you. but yes, it's good to have you back. as you've probably noticed, the site isn't very active.
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Don't know what the excitement is about Brady has already hit the twilight zone for qbs and I would be willing to guess that if next year is a repeat of this year it will be Tom terrific who bows out. The real question therefore is "Will Bill Belechik carry on after Brady calls it quits"?
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It isn't just Belichick who will cut a player if they have another who can do it cheaper, it is the way of the NFL. The problem with cutting a franchise QB like Brady that it is far more difficult to replace him. With Favre the Packers had Rodgers and Montana had Young behind him, these aren't common scenarios. The Colts had a chance to start a new with a QB that was considered a can't miss, again not a common scenario. Teams can go decades without replacing a QB like Brady. It is possible yes but Pats fans should consider themselves lucky if it can work out that way. Very doubtful they find someone who can replace Brady by the time he is done playing.
As Dyhard has said, this isn't like replacing skilled positions or guys at other positions. HOF QBs don't grow on trees.
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Bledsoe may have been the "franchise QB" but that doesn't mean he was very good....there is no QB that is SOOO much better than Brady like Brady was over Bledsoe...
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The Pats have nobody groomed to take Brady's place. At least not yet. Until they do, Tom is going no where.
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the RARE good QB transitions are Favre to Rodgers and Montana to Young....everyone else has a time of QB controversy when a top notch QB retires as they attempt to find the right guy to come in and lead the team into the future...
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Also, as Favre proved, QBs can last longer than most other positions (can't forget the kickers) because they rely on intelligence more than physical prowess...they can get old and still lead a team deep into the playoffs like Favre did in 07 and 09 when he was 37 and 39 respectively...Brady is only 35
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There was Manning to Luck as well.
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QBs can last longer today because they aren't allowed to get hit anymore. With the rule changes eventually all of Favre records will fall be it Luck or someone else. They have to stay healthy though which Favre did his first 19 years or however long in the league.
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BB could prove just how great a coach he is by bringing in Mark Sanchez as Brady's replacement. That would be a hell of a kick in the Jets sack if he could win a Championship with Sanchise.
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I also saw an interview with Tom that both he and BB are obsessed with winning on post spygate Super Bowl, just to shut everyone up.
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They need what they have needed for a long time. A big time pass rusher.
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Nobody gets to go out like John Elway.
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