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  • 03/20/2013, 03:48AM ET

Which Rocky movie was the most realistic?

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Rocky was a great movie series, and I'm probably one of the few who thoroughly enjoyed all 6 movies.

With that being said, which Rocky movie story line was the most realistic? Which could probably have happened in real life?

I'm not saying which was the best movie or most dramatic (obviously #1), but which was the most realistic.

I'm gonna go with with Rocky V (5th installment)

Rocky's now retired and training fighters. He's lost most of his money thru bad investments and is back in South Philly
Neighborhood kids give his son a hard time
Wife has to take a job

Up and coming hard hitter wants Rocky to become his manager. Rocky reluctantly does so and the guy becomes a contender

Slimy promoter steps in and steals him away. Rocky and the guy split up, but the guy is now jealous of Rocky

They get into a bar fighter and Rocky knocks him out.

The movie may have been cheesy and some parts seem to be a bit overplayed, but the story line is probably the most realistic of all Rocky films


Just on script alone I will go with the initial Rocky movie.

The first movie was the most realistic because it encapsulated the epic "Cinderella" personna.

As we all know, this has actually happened in real life to some degree.

The movie Cinderella Man captured to a certain amount of realism the fight between James J. Braddock and Max Baer. Braddock had NO chance of beating Baer as described by all analyst and promoters but yet he found the heart to hang in and get it done.

How many boxing managers do you know that could actually stand toe to toe with a young super boxing talent? There are those ex-fighters that still has a mean punch that could knock anyone out if they sucker punched someone. But Rocky V has them duking it out to a ultimate finish of Rocky winning.

Now while I like all the Rocky movies as well as anyone, I found that the first one to still be the ultimate, "Hey, that could actually happen" scenario. Rocky was hungrier. He was more driven. And he was a boxer working on his skills

Douglas over Tyson. Braddock over Baer. Corbett over Sullivan. While all those guys were boxers they were all heavy underdogs and won, same as Rocky (1).

MTC


While the first Rocky was indeed a great movie, the similarities between the character Rocky's career and those you mentioned are very few.

First, Rocky (I) lost (back round noise, crowd cheering) "....and the winner and still heavyweight champion of the world, Apollo Creed"

Next, James Braddock, Corbett and Douglass all were contenders and they actually worked their way up to beat the champ.
They may have been heavy underdogs, but those fighters were there for legitimate reasons.

In the first Rocky, he's chosen by the promoters who are looking thru a booklet to find a last minute fill in.
They only stop on Rocky because of his catchy name "The Italian Stalian".

Until this fight, Rocky was a club fighter with a record of 44-20

In real life, he would have never gotten close to a title fight (which is what made it a great movie)

In Rocky V, the basic elements are realistic
How many managers can still fight? Most of them
Most former boxers become corner men for younger fighters
It was a street fight and much of the fighting was wrestling around and throwing illegal blows

Rocky V, not the greatest but the most realistic


The fact that Rocky LOST his fight to Apollo Creed is what makes it so much more realistic. He went the distance and neither fighter could knock the other out. OF COURSE the judges are going to favor the Champ. Rocky HAD to knock Apollo out to win. BUT, he was still the Cinderella story that comes along with a supposedly once in a lifetime opportunity and he made the most of it.

While Rocky V portrays Rocky as still the invincible one that refuses to lose, it is more about Rocky's heart than the abilities of the average boxing trainer to actually beat the crap out of their protegee .

How likely was it that a younger Angelo Dundee could whip Ali? Don't even think about it after he turned 50.

How many fighters in the past has fought and won over a last minute replacement? 100's?

How many trainers have street brawled with their star and whipped their ****? Only Rocky V.

So, which is more realistic?

The filmography of the Rocky series got much much better as the movies were done. But that was due to the success of Rocky. They had more money to work with. As such, the action shots and film quality was better. But not the script or realism.

MTC


Once again, you're argument is based upon what makes Rocky (I) a great movie, but not more realistic

For one, in Rocky (I), Balboa had no manager nor trainer at first. And not because he was some independent boxer taking care of his own finances, it's because he was just some club fighter

It's not as if they had 24 hrs to choose a Philly fighter, they had weeks. In real life, they would have just chosen someone else or delayed the fight
In reality, he would have been the sparring partner

Buster Douglass beat two former champs in Berbick and Page and fought for a title 3 yrs earlier
Braddock fought for a title early in his career and beat Art Lasky for a shot at Baer
Chuck Wepner had at least fought Liston and Foreman in his career, prior to Ali
They were all fringe contenders w/ experience in decent fights

Balboa didn't even have a locker in his local gym!

For Rocky V, it's feasible for a trainer to have decent boxing skills
Archie Moore trained Foreman
Freddie Roach trains Pacqiao
Mayweather Sr, trains Mayweather Jr

It may be far to say they'd knock the younger out, but at the least they can put up a fight

Rocky V, bad movie but more realistic


That last fight scene in Rocky V is so over the top that alone makes it not "Realistic".

No way in hell that a #1 Contender is going to go three rounds of Bare Knuckle Street fighting with someone 30 years his senior. PLUS, where did Rocky come up with all the martial arts moves all of a sudden? You know, leg sweeps,tripping and all the other crap not boxing they showed.

Plus, there is no way someone with permanent injury that left the fight game due to injury would allow themselves to get dragged into a contest like that as well.

So what is comes down to is, "Made for Movie entertainment Hollywood Hijinks" the film makers and writers came up with to show Rocky's resolve.

NOT REALISTIC.

However, again, Rocky was a pure display of an underdog's achievement thru hard work and training making the best out of a life time opportunity and winning the hearts of millions in the process. This whole scenario has been lived so many times through so many avenues of sports that we could go on for days as to the accounts. In this case it was boxing, and the underdog did good. Definitely the most realistic between the two Rocky vs. Rocky V. Rocky wins by KO.

Peace Out FN

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March 20, 2013  09:51 AM ET
QUOTE(#1):

Encapsulated is an underrated word.

LOL

March 20, 2013  10:08 AM ET

i found rocky v to be terrible.. lol

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March 20, 2013  10:31 AM ET
QUOTE(#3):

i found rocky v to be terrible.. lol

Agreed, it probably was the worst, but as I noted, definitely more realistic.

March 20, 2013  11:17 AM ET
QUOTE(#4):

Which Rocky movie was the most realistic? None of 'em?And Rocky had to return all of his title belts because Sly Stallone tested positive for PED's.

I thought he had to sell 'em all of because his financial manager stole all his money....

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March 20, 2013  12:11 PM ET

Any consideration that Rocky was based on a real life situation (Chuck Wepner was rocky and Apollo was Ali) or that Rocky 6 is based loosely on George Foreman accomplishing a similar feat in real life (Foreman won the heavyweight title at, I think 49 years old)?

March 20, 2013  01:04 PM ET
QUOTE(#7):

Money? Rocky don't need no stinkin' money!

NO? Then how else did he pay for the robot??? 8^D

March 20, 2013  01:54 PM ET

Odds on Douglas vs. Tyson was 42-1 favor Tyson. Evander Holyfield held the Continental Heavyweight title, How was Douglas the #1 contender?

March 20, 2013  01:58 PM ET

When Braddock fought and won over Baer he had 82 professional fights with 25 losses? How many champions has ever had 25 losses? What was Rocky's record when he LOST to Apollo; 42-20????

March 20, 2013  02:30 PM ET
QUOTE(#8):

Any consideration that Rocky was based on a real life situation (Chuck Wepner was rocky and Apollo was Ali) or that Rocky 6 is based loosely on George Foreman accomplishing a similar feat in real life (Foreman won the heavyweight title at, I think 49 years old)?

Yeah, I was going to pick up this TD and argue the Chuck Wepner and Ali thing.
The 'great white hope that went the distance and won over the crowd despite taking brutal punishment' angle.


Rocky IV, the least realistic one, would have been fun to argue as well just for the challenge.

"I must break you."... "If he dies, he dies.", ... "I win for me. FOR ME!"

March 20, 2013  03:28 PM ET

III is the best b/c of the 10 minute appearance of the Ultimate Male - Thunder Lips Hogan! 8^D

March 20, 2013  03:50 PM ET
QUOTE(#13):

III is the best b/c of the 10 minute appearance of the Ultimate Male - Thunder Lips Hogan! 8^D

For sure.

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March 20, 2013  06:49 PM ET
QUOTE(#12):

Rocky IV, the least realistic one, would have been fun to argue as well just for the challenge. "I must break you."... "If he dies, he dies.", ... "I win for me. FOR ME!"

Dolph Lundgren can smell the penetration. He nose the truth.

March 21, 2013  01:22 AM ET

Good call on the topic, J-Biz.

March 21, 2013  01:49 AM ET
QUOTE(#12):

Yeah, I was going to pick up this TD and argue the Chuck Wepner and Ali thing. The 'great white hope that went the distance and won over the crowd despite taking brutal punishment' angle.Rocky IV, the least realistic one, would have been fun to argue as well just for the challenge. "I must break you."... "If he dies, he dies.", ... "I win for me. FOR ME!"

Rocky IV least realistic?

HOW DARE YOU, SIR?

"I guess what I'm trying to say is, if I can change, and you can change, everybody can change."

BOOM!

Glasnost.

Rocky IV triggered one of the most historically significant political changes in the 20th century.

I'll await your retraction with great eagerness.

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March 21, 2013  03:26 AM ET
QUOTE(#12):

Rocky IV, the least realistic one...

Retracted.

But not just because of Rocky IV directly triggering Glasnost. It's mainly because I just remembered that Ben Johnson was spotted coming out of Rocky IV (with a devlish gleam of excitement in his eyes and renewed energy in his step) exactly 3 years prior to crushing Carl Lewis and setting the world record in the 100 m dash.

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