- 03/20/2013, 03:48AM ET
J-Business said 03/20, 03:48 AM
Rocky was a great movie series, and I'm probably one of the few who thoroughly enjoyed all 6 movies.
With that being said, which Rocky movie story line was the most realistic? Which could probably have happened in real life?
I'm not saying which was the best movie or most dramatic (obviously #1), but which was the most realistic.
I'm gonna go with with Rocky V (5th installment)
Rocky's now retired and training fighters. He's lost most of his money thru bad investments and is back in South Philly
Neighborhood kids give his son a hard time
Wife has to take a job
Up and coming hard hitter wants Rocky to become his manager. Rocky reluctantly does so and the guy becomes a contender
Slimy promoter steps in and steals him away. Rocky and the guy split up, but the guy is now jealous of Rocky
They get into a bar fighter and Rocky knocks him out.
The movie may have been cheesy and some parts seem to be a bit overplayed, but the story line is probably the most realistic of all Rocky films
OlderthanDirt said 03/20, 09:39 AM
Just on script alone I will go with the initial Rocky movie.
The first movie was the most realistic because it encapsulated the epic "Cinderella" personna.
As we all know, this has actually happened in real life to some degree.
The movie Cinderella Man captured to a certain amount of realism the fight between James J. Braddock and Max Baer. Braddock had NO chance of beating Baer as described by all analyst and promoters but yet he found the heart to hang in and get it done.
How many boxing managers do you know that could actually stand toe to toe with a young super boxing talent? There are those ex-fighters that still has a mean punch that could knock anyone out if they sucker punched someone. But Rocky V has them duking it out to a ultimate finish of Rocky winning.
Now while I like all the Rocky movies as well as anyone, I found that the first one to still be the ultimate, "Hey, that could actually happen" scenario. Rocky was hungrier. He was more driven. And he was a boxer working on his skills
Douglas over Tyson. Braddock over Baer. Corbett over Sullivan. While all those guys were boxers they were all heavy underdogs and won, same as Rocky (1).
J-Business said 03/20, 10:20 AM
While the first Rocky was indeed a great movie, the similarities between the character Rocky's career and those you mentioned are very few.
First, Rocky (I) lost (back round noise, crowd cheering) "....and the winner and still heavyweight champion of the world, Apollo Creed"
Next, James Braddock, Corbett and Douglass all were contenders and they actually worked their way up to beat the champ.
They may have been heavy underdogs, but those fighters were there for legitimate reasons.
In the first Rocky, he's chosen by the promoters who are looking thru a booklet to find a last minute fill in.
They only stop on Rocky because of his catchy name "The Italian Stalian".
Until this fight, Rocky was a club fighter with a record of 44-20
In real life, he would have never gotten close to a title fight (which is what made it a great movie)
In Rocky V, the basic elements are realistic
How many managers can still fight? Most of them
Most former boxers become corner men for younger fighters
It was a street fight and much of the fighting was wrestling around and throwing illegal blows
Rocky V, not the greatest but the most realistic
OlderthanDirt said 03/20, 01:44 PM
The fact that Rocky LOST his fight to Apollo Creed is what makes it so much more realistic. He went the distance and neither fighter could knock the other out. OF COURSE the judges are going to favor the Champ. Rocky HAD to knock Apollo out to win. BUT, he was still the Cinderella story that comes along with a supposedly once in a lifetime opportunity and he made the most of it.
While Rocky V portrays Rocky as still the invincible one that refuses to lose, it is more about Rocky's heart than the abilities of the average boxing trainer to actually beat the crap out of their protegee .
How likely was it that a younger Angelo Dundee could whip Ali? Don't even think about it after he turned 50.
How many fighters in the past has fought and won over a last minute replacement? 100's?
How many trainers have street brawled with their star and whipped their ****? Only Rocky V.
So, which is more realistic?
The filmography of the Rocky series got much much better as the movies were done. But that was due to the success of Rocky. They had more money to work with. As such, the action shots and film quality was better. But not the script or realism.
J-Business said 03/21, 09:02 AM
Once again, you're argument is based upon what makes Rocky (I) a great movie, but not more realistic
For one, in Rocky (I), Balboa had no manager nor trainer at first. And not because he was some independent boxer taking care of his own finances, it's because he was just some club fighter
It's not as if they had 24 hrs to choose a Philly fighter, they had weeks. In real life, they would have just chosen someone else or delayed the fight
In reality, he would have been the sparring partner
Buster Douglass beat two former champs in Berbick and Page and fought for a title 3 yrs earlier
Braddock fought for a title early in his career and beat Art Lasky for a shot at Baer
Chuck Wepner had at least fought Liston and Foreman in his career, prior to Ali
They were all fringe contenders w/ experience in decent fights
Balboa didn't even have a locker in his local gym!
For Rocky V, it's feasible for a trainer to have decent boxing skills
Archie Moore trained Foreman
Freddie Roach trains Pacqiao
Mayweather Sr, trains Mayweather Jr
It may be far to say they'd knock the younger out, but at the least they can put up a fight
Rocky V, bad movie but more realistic
OlderthanDirt said 03/21, 02:15 PM
That last fight scene in Rocky V is so over the top that alone makes it not "Realistic".
No way in hell that a #1 Contender is going to go three rounds of Bare Knuckle Street fighting with someone 30 years his senior. PLUS, where did Rocky come up with all the martial arts moves all of a sudden? You know, leg sweeps,tripping and all the other crap not boxing they showed.
Plus, there is no way someone with permanent injury that left the fight game due to injury would allow themselves to get dragged into a contest like that as well.
So what is comes down to is, "Made for Movie entertainment Hollywood Hijinks" the film makers and writers came up with to show Rocky's resolve.
However, again, Rocky was a pure display of an underdog's achievement thru hard work and training making the best out of a life time opportunity and winning the hearts of millions in the process. This whole scenario has been lived so many times through so many avenues of sports that we could go on for days as to the accounts. In this case it was boxing, and the underdog did good. Definitely the most realistic between the two Rocky vs. Rocky V. Rocky wins by KO.
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