- 05/16/2013, 10:31PM ET
zachb757 said 05/16, 10:31 PM
Steven Adams. Center from Pitt that's currently slated as a late first round pick by most draft pundits, but I feel like he'll be mid to late lottery when it's all said and done.
Besides the adage of big men rise in the draft process, there are other reasons why Adams will rise. The aforementioned reasons of size and athleticism being two of the primary factors. He is reportedly 7 feet with shoes on with a 7 foot 4 wingspan, he also probably weighs in the neighborhood of 250 pounds. In addition, he'll showcase his athleticism which is above average by even the NBA's standards. Adams has the complete physical package that NBA teams are looking for in their bigmen.
Adams also has the benefit of being somewhat of an enigma heading into the process, only playing a year of high school ball in the states, then playing only 20 minutes a game in a limited role at Pitt. He showcased some skills not really seen from him before during the first day of the combine in his jump shot, which will lead to NBA personnel to believe that he has a lot of untapped potential.
The four factors that lead to draft risers are size, athleticism, untapped potential, and enigmatic. Adams has all four.
Choctaw said 05/19, 11:20 PM
Imagine a player born with the height of Kevin Garnett, Michael Jordans will to win, and Magic Johnson's passing ability. This player carries some risk coming from overseas, but has the potential for greatness. Where would you take this player?
Right now hoopsworld has this player going anywhere from 21-28. I see no way this future star slips out of the lottery. At worst he becomes a younger Hedo Turkoglu who can stretch the defense and provide valuable minutes from up to four positions
Playing for KK Cibona, he averaged almost 8 point, 7 rebounds, and 2 assists in just over 23 minutes for a solid Euroleague club. That comes out to almost 11 points, 10 boards, and 3 assists over 32 minutes for a 19 year old.
In a recent email to ESPN.com he wrote "My desire is to be close to the philosophy of basketball of [the] greatest Laker Magic Johnson. Of course, it is nice for every player to score, including me, but my biggest challenge is how [to make better] other players of my team on the court. This is what I like to do, and this is what I want to learn and doing better day by day.???
He is none other than former FIBA Europe U-16 MVP Dario Saric.
zachb757 said 05/20, 05:07 PM
That is a gross over exaggeration of Saric's game. He isn't KG's height, he's 6-10, not 7 foot, he's nowhere near the passer Magic Johnson will ever be, and I honestly doubt whether Saric's game will translate in the NBA, and I feel as though NBA personnel share this sentiment.
Saric has good height for a forward, but that's his only physical trait that's above average for the NBA average. He has a mediocre wingspan, being the same as his height, and his lack of quickness, athleticism, and strength will really limit him, especially on the defensive end. He has below average quickness, so it'll be tough for him to stay in front of 3s, but his 223 pound body won't be able to bang with 4s.
While Saric is considered a point forward, he's not even that good at distributing. He can be a creative ball-handler, but when it comes to passing he simply doesn't produce good results, averaging more turnovers (2.3) than assists (2.1). Additionally, his outside shot is a work in progress, shooting 50% from the line and 30% from 3.
While Saric is intriguing because of his size and potential on offense, I think NBA scouts will poke enough holes in his game that will limit his draft stock.
Choctaw said 05/21, 07:31 AM
An NBA Scout recently told ESPN this about Saric "If he played college ball this year, he would've been one of the top five players in America. He was in a bad situation there [Croatia]. His talent didn't go away."
Saric was called "the best passing big man in the draft." and that he is a "Point forward-type. Little Danilo Gallinari in him." by an unidentified NBA GM
Euroleague stats are very misleading. Last year Saric saw limited touches and was not given the freedom to create that he deserves. In Brandon Jennings one season playing for Lottomatica Roma he averaged 7.6 points and had an assist to turnover ratio of 1.33, while shooting .268 from beyond the arc. However in his first NBA season just one year later he was able to up his assist to turnover ratio by over 1 up to 2.38 and have a three point shooting percentage of 38%. Saric's jumper translates seamlessly into the NBA and will have no problem making above 40% 3pt
Steven Adams is another Josh Boone. Boone's last college season was very similar to Adams and he was considered a high upside player who played great D yet had no offensive game. Look at how well that turned out.
zachb757 said 05/22, 01:10 PM
My argument got deleted...again, and I only have 5 minutes according to the site) so I'll make this quick. I'm going to reiterate the fact that Steven Adams is much more gifted physically than Saric can ever dream of (prototypical strength, quickness, and speed) and has progressed much more rapidly than Saric has of late. While Saric has continued to struggle in the same areas of his game: decision making, shooting, strength, and defense, Adams has gone from playing with and against women in New Zealand to being an effective big man in the Big East in a little over a year (although admittedly his last year was a disappointment). The draft is all about athleticism and potential, and Adams' prototypical size and athleticism and rapid development will lead to him rise more before the draft than Saric.
Choctaw said 05/22, 02:46 PM
"The draft is all about ...... potential"
I agree 100 percent.
Say that again
"The draft is all about ..... potential."
Saric has the potential to be a superstar in this league. Adams does not. One NBA GM had this to say about Dario Saric "I think he is one of the top three or four talents in this draft." (ESPN)
Saric will continue to rise. He has great passing ability, solid outside shot, and can score in a variety of ways.
Steven "rarely boxes out opponents, mistimes his jumps, and has a difficult time coming away with loose balls in traffic because of his questionable hands." DraftExpress.com. In other words, he can't rebound on the defensive end. That is not something I want to hear about my potential center.
Adams is very limited offensively. He cannot hit a shot from outside the paint, has awful shooting mechanics, and no post moves. Again, that is not something I want to hear about my potential center.
In order to make it into the mid/late lottery, Adams would have to jump centers such as Rudy Gobert, Cody Zeller and Alex Len along with guys like Dennis Schroeder, Michael Carter-Williams, and CJ McCollum. Its not happening
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