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  • 05/16/2013, 10:31PM ET

Biggest riser in the NBA Draft will be....?

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Steven Adams. Center from Pitt that's currently slated as a late first round pick by most draft pundits, but I feel like he'll be mid to late lottery when it's all said and done.

Besides the adage of big men rise in the draft process, there are other reasons why Adams will rise. The aforementioned reasons of size and athleticism being two of the primary factors. He is reportedly 7 feet with shoes on with a 7 foot 4 wingspan, he also probably weighs in the neighborhood of 250 pounds. In addition, he'll showcase his athleticism which is above average by even the NBA's standards. Adams has the complete physical package that NBA teams are looking for in their bigmen.

Adams also has the benefit of being somewhat of an enigma heading into the process, only playing a year of high school ball in the states, then playing only 20 minutes a game in a limited role at Pitt. He showcased some skills not really seen from him before during the first day of the combine in his jump shot, which will lead to NBA personnel to believe that he has a lot of untapped potential.

The four factors that lead to draft risers are size, athleticism, untapped potential, and enigmatic. Adams has all four.


Imagine a player born with the height of Kevin Garnett, Michael Jordans will to win, and Magic Johnson's passing ability. This player carries some risk coming from overseas, but has the potential for greatness. Where would you take this player?

Right now hoopsworld has this player going anywhere from 21-28. I see no way this future star slips out of the lottery. At worst he becomes a younger Hedo Turkoglu who can stretch the defense and provide valuable minutes from up to four positions

Playing for KK Cibona, he averaged almost 8 point, 7 rebounds, and 2 assists in just over 23 minutes for a solid Euroleague club. That comes out to almost 11 points, 10 boards, and 3 assists over 32 minutes for a 19 year old.

In a recent email to ESPN.com he wrote "My desire is to be close to the philosophy of basketball of [the] greatest Laker Magic Johnson. Of course, it is nice for every player to score, including me, but my biggest challenge is how [to make better] other players of my team on the court. This is what I like to do, and this is what I want to learn and doing better day by day.???

He is none other than former FIBA Europe U-16 MVP Dario Saric.


That is a gross over exaggeration of Saric's game. He isn't KG's height, he's 6-10, not 7 foot, he's nowhere near the passer Magic Johnson will ever be, and I honestly doubt whether Saric's game will translate in the NBA, and I feel as though NBA personnel share this sentiment.

Saric has good height for a forward, but that's his only physical trait that's above average for the NBA average. He has a mediocre wingspan, being the same as his height, and his lack of quickness, athleticism, and strength will really limit him, especially on the defensive end. He has below average quickness, so it'll be tough for him to stay in front of 3s, but his 223 pound body won't be able to bang with 4s.

While Saric is considered a point forward, he's not even that good at distributing. He can be a creative ball-handler, but when it comes to passing he simply doesn't produce good results, averaging more turnovers (2.3) than assists (2.1). Additionally, his outside shot is a work in progress, shooting 50% from the line and 30% from 3.

While Saric is intriguing because of his size and potential on offense, I think NBA scouts will poke enough holes in his game that will limit his draft stock.


An NBA Scout recently told ESPN this about Saric "If he played college ball this year, he would've been one of the top five players in America. He was in a bad situation there [Croatia]. His talent didn't go away."

Saric was called "the best passing big man in the draft." and that he is a "Point forward-type. Little Danilo Gallinari in him." by an unidentified NBA GM

Euroleague stats are very misleading. Last year Saric saw limited touches and was not given the freedom to create that he deserves. In Brandon Jennings one season playing for Lottomatica Roma he averaged 7.6 points and had an assist to turnover ratio of 1.33, while shooting .268 from beyond the arc. However in his first NBA season just one year later he was able to up his assist to turnover ratio by over 1 up to 2.38 and have a three point shooting percentage of 38%. Saric's jumper translates seamlessly into the NBA and will have no problem making above 40% 3pt

Steven Adams is another Josh Boone. Boone's last college season was very similar to Adams and he was considered a high upside player who played great D yet had no offensive game. Look at how well that turned out.


My argument got deleted...again, and I only have 5 minutes according to the site) so I'll make this quick. I'm going to reiterate the fact that Steven Adams is much more gifted physically than Saric can ever dream of (prototypical strength, quickness, and speed) and has progressed much more rapidly than Saric has of late. While Saric has continued to struggle in the same areas of his game: decision making, shooting, strength, and defense, Adams has gone from playing with and against women in New Zealand to being an effective big man in the Big East in a little over a year (although admittedly his last year was a disappointment). The draft is all about athleticism and potential, and Adams' prototypical size and athleticism and rapid development will lead to him rise more before the draft than Saric.


"The draft is all about ...... potential"

I agree 100 percent.

Say that again

"The draft is all about ..... potential."

Saric has the potential to be a superstar in this league. Adams does not. One NBA GM had this to say about Dario Saric "I think he is one of the top three or four talents in this draft." (ESPN)

Saric will continue to rise. He has great passing ability, solid outside shot, and can score in a variety of ways.

Steven "rarely boxes out opponents, mistimes his jumps, and has a difficult time coming away with loose balls in traffic because of his questionable hands." DraftExpress.com. In other words, he can't rebound on the defensive end. That is not something I want to hear about my potential center.

Adams is very limited offensively. He cannot hit a shot from outside the paint, has awful shooting mechanics, and no post moves. Again, that is not something I want to hear about my potential center.

In order to make it into the mid/late lottery, Adams would have to jump centers such as Rudy Gobert, Cody Zeller and Alex Len along with guys like Dennis Schroeder, Michael Carter-Williams, and CJ McCollum. Its not happening

May 19, 2013  10:26 PM ET

Theres a few ways I could go with this. I really like the topic

May 19, 2013  10:26 PM ET

Challenge me and ill post an argument. It said I only had 5 minutes remaining

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May 19, 2013  10:46 PM ET
QUOTE(#3):

Oh, how I wish I could take this TD.I have never done it before. But, I'm a decent debater and I really study the draft.But, I'm in mid-terms....For what it's worth, I think Dieng and Gobert will climb into the lottery.Good Luck...I'll come back to vote.

Gotta get your TD on, Mecca!

May 19, 2013  11:06 PM ET

Had an entire argument delete on me.

May 19, 2013  11:12 PM ET
QUOTE(#6):

Had an entire argument delete on me.

Welcome to Fannation!

May 19, 2013  11:21 PM ET
QUOTE(#7):

Welcome to Fannation!

Haha. Cant wait to see what else is in store

May 20, 2013  04:42 PM ET
QUOTE(#4):

Carter-Williams will be top 8 too...6'6 pure pg....He's gonna be a STUD.

Carter Williams is going to **** and whoever drafts him will just move up even more in next years lottery.

May 20, 2013  04:56 PM ET
QUOTE(#4):

Carter-Williams will be top 8 too...6'6 pure pg....He's gonna be a STUD.

He was already projected to be a lottery pick. That's not much of a rise.

May 20, 2013  11:05 PM ET
QUOTE(#4):

Carter-Williams will be top 8 too...6'6 pure pg....He's gonna be a STUD.

Michael Carter-Williams will be a bust at best if anyone wants to take the chance.

May 21, 2013  04:26 AM ET
QUOTE(#11):

Michael Carter-Williams will be a bust at best if anyone wants to take the chance.

What's worse than being a bust?????

May 21, 2013  06:17 AM ET
QUOTE(#12):

What's worse than being a bust?????

Being a rectum?

May 21, 2013  07:33 AM ET

Boone is an athletic big man who runs the floor extremely well and possesses very good quickness and footspeed. He moves well for a player his size in all directions, especially laterally. He is a very good leaper off one foot, but is just average off two feet. Physically, he has an excellent frame that will carry about as much weight as needed, with broad shoulders, strong legs and an excellent wingspan. His wide body and low base allows him to establish position deep in the post for rebounds or occasional garbage points around the hoop. He is not a soft player and does not seem to have too much of a problem throwing his body around. He has solid fundamentals and is generally a very intelligent player with a good court demeanor when things are going well.

Offensively, he is limited, but his length, strength and hands allows him to score some points on occasion inside the paint, and especially in transition with how hard he runs the floor. From baseline to baseline, there are few big men who are quicker than Boone in this draft, and it wasn???t rare at all to see him get out in the open floor and beat guards down the court. He is also a solid interior passer who knows how to make the simple pass to give his teammate the easy bucket. All in all, he is an unselfish player who doesn???t mind living on scraps and doesn???t need to be a focal point of his team???s offense to be effective.

As a rebounder is where he is likely most attractive initially. He has all the physical tools to become a factor here, including an above average wingspan, outstanding hands, quickness, timing, and an excellent knack for anticipating where the ball will end up next. The offensive glass is where he shines the most; as almost 50% of his rebounds over his three year college career have come from there.

Boone is also an excellent defender, featuring terrific footwork, a fundamentally sound defensive stance and imposing positioning immediately when his man gets the ball. He will bump his chest right into him and glide quickly laterally from left to right. He has a good understanding of the game here, showing very well on the pick and roll and knowing when to rotate on help defense inside the paint. His quick hands and feet along with his length make him a threat to disrupt the post entry pass and come up with the steal on any given possession.

In terms of intangibles, Boone is intelligent both on and off the court, being both an excellent student and a solid citizen. He will do the little things in order to win, and does not have much of an ego like some top NCAA players from large programs too. In terms of his resume, it???s hard to argue with his credentials. He???s won about as many games as any junior in this draft, was a three year starter at arguably the best college basketball program in America, played under an outstanding coach, and has numerous accolades under his belt.

From DraftExpress.com in 2006

Sounds to me a lot like Adams

May 21, 2013  01:40 PM ET
QUOTE(#14):

Boone is an athletic big man who runs the floor extremely well and possesses very good quickness and footspeed. He moves well for a player his size in all directions, especially laterally. He is a very good leaper off one foot, but is just average off two feet. Physically, he has an excellent frame that will carry about as much weight as needed, with broad shoulders, strong legs and an excellent wingspan. His wide body and low base allows him to establish position deep in the post for rebounds or occasional garbage points around the hoop. He is not a soft player and does not seem to have too much of a problem throwing his body around. He has solid fundamentals and is generally a very intelligent player with a good court demeanor when things are going well.Offensively, he is limited, but his length, strength and hands allows him to score some points on occasion inside the paint, and especially in transition with how hard he runs the floor. From baseline to baseline, there are few big men who are quicker than Boone in this draft, and it wasn???t rare at all to see him get out in the open floor and beat guards down the court. He is also a solid interior passer who knows how to make the simple pass to give his teammate the easy bucket. All in all, he is an unselfish player who doesn???t mind living on scraps and doesn???t need to be a focal point of his team???s offense to be effective.As a rebounder is where he is likely most attractive initially. He has all the physical tools to become a factor here, including an above average wingspan, outstanding hands, quickness, timing, and an excellent knack for anticipating where the ball will end up next. The offensive glass is where he shines the most; as almost 50% of his rebounds over his three year college career have come from there.Boone is also an excellent defender, featuring terrific footwork, a fundamentally sound defensive stance and imposing positioning immediately when his man gets the ball. He will bump his chest right into him and glide quickly laterally from left to right. He has a good understanding of the game here, showing very well on the pick and roll and knowing when to rotate on help defense inside the paint. His quick hands and feet along with his length make him a threat to disrupt the post entry pass and come up with the steal on any given possession.In terms of intangibles, Boone is intelligent both on and off the court, being both an excellent student and a solid citizen. He will do the little things in order to win, and does not have much of an ego like some top NCAA players from large programs too. In terms of his resume, it???s hard to argue with his credentials. He???s won about as many games as any junior in this draft, was a three year starter at arguably the best college basketball program in America, played under an outstanding coach, and has numerous accolades under his belt.From DraftExpress.com in 2006Sounds to me a lot like Adams

Josh Boone was a 3 year college player and was only 6-10 235. Steven Adams is bigger, more athletic, and has much more upside, thus why he'll be drafted higher than Boone.

May 22, 2013  12:14 AM ET
QUOTE(#12):

What's worse than being a bust?????

Slipping into oblivion, never having even gotten a chance would be worse than being a bust in the draft.

May 22, 2013  12:40 AM ET

Come on guys, vote!

May 22, 2013  03:57 AM ET
QUOTE(#15):

Josh Boone was a 3 year college player and was only 6-10 235. Steven Adams is bigger, more athletic, and has much more upside, thus why he'll be drafted higher than Boone.

Define "more upside".

May 22, 2013  03:59 AM ET
QUOTE(#17):

Come on guys, vote!

I'm waiting for all arguments before voting.

If someone goes zombie that's an autovote against that person, as far as I'm concerned. And if all arguments actually get posted then we have a full debate to consider while voting.

 
May 22, 2013  04:44 AM ET
QUOTE(#13):

Being a rectum?

HA!

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