- 05/27/2013, 09:06PM ET
Darth Maim said 05/27, 09:06 PM
Here are my selections for Da Bears Mount Rushmore:
And this is why...
NFL Hall of Famer
8 NFL Championships
National Football League Co-Founder
#7 Retired by Bears
NFL Hall of Famer
16,726 rushing yards
All-Decade Team 1970's and 1980's
#34 Retired by Bears
1st TE voted in the NFL Hall of Fame
3x Superbowl Winner
Bears 1985 Superbowl winning coach
#89 to be retired by bears
NFL Hall of Famer
8x Pro Bowl Selection
2x NFL Defensive Player of Year
All-Decade Team 1960's and 1970's
#51 Retired by Bears
So there you have it...Papa Bear, Sweetness, Iron Mike, and Butkus; My Chicago Bears Mount Rushmore.
HOOTZ said 05/27, 11:01 PM
Here are my selections for the Chicago Bears Mount Rushmore:
Also known as the Galloping Ghost
Was a charter member of the NFL Hall Of Fame.
Voted best college football player of all time, at halfback Grange led the Bears to consecutive NFL Championships in 1932 and 33.
The greatest QB in Bears history.
The only Bears QB to be inducted into the NFL Hall Of Fame
Inventor of the T formation
Between 1940-46 led the Bears to 4 NFL Championships.
Threw 28 TD passes in 1943
Elected to the NFL Hall Of Fame in 1974
Created the 4-3 Defense
Helped lead the Bears to the 1963 NFL Championship vs the NY Giants
Developed technics that revolutionized the Middle Linebacker position and helped pave the way to the "Modern Day Defense".
This is my version of the Chicago Bears Mount Rushmore. So, we have three different players to debate. I'm looking forward to a good TD here.
Keep in mind that Butkus never played in a Championship game. He also brought a lawsuit against the Bears in 1975 because he felt they were overworking him.
Good luck Darth.
Darth Maim said 05/28, 09:07 AM
An admirable list, however omitting Payton will haunt the rest of your arguments. So we agree on Papa Bear, but have a different opinion for the remaining 3 entrants. So I will argue:
Ditka vs. Luckman
Butkus vs. George
Payton vs. Grange
1) He won a championship as a player and as a coach for the Bears.
2) He was the first TE inducted into the NFL Hall of Fame and it was his early career as the Chicago TE that helped propel him into enshrinement.
3) The 1985 Chicago Bears are included in the argument of the greatest all time teams in NFL history. Ditka was the coach.
4) Iron Mike was a 5x All-Pro.
5) 2x AP NFL Coach of the Year.
6) NFL Rookie of the Year 1961
So Ditka did it as a Hall of Fame player and as a championship winning head coach.
Butkus vs. George is almost a wash, so I will save my closing arguments concerning your omission of one of the greatest players in not only Chicago Bears history, but NFL history.....
HOOTZ said 05/28, 08:34 PM
Ditka vs. Luckman
Luckman edges out Ditka in the world of Chicago Bears lore. Luckman's passing ability and his command of the playing surface propelled him to legendary status. He played for 12 seasons. All with the Bears. 1939 to 1950 Each season comprised of only 10 games. Yet many of the numbers Luckman put up are comparable to what a 16 game QB of today could do.
Luckman is undoubtedly the greatest Quarteback in Bears history. He was the very first QB to play in the T- Formation and he mastered it. He set the modern day record for TD passes in a game with 7.
He QBed the Bears throughout the 1940's, their Dynasty decade.
Leading them to 5 NFL Championships in 6 years. Winning 4 of them. Including the 1943 campaign. Questionably, the best Chicago Bears team ever to take the field. Luckman led the league with 28 TD passes, and (in retrospect) a passer rating of 107.5
In 1940 Luckman and the Bears defeated their arch rival Sammy Baugh and the Washington Redskins in the NFL Championship. The final score of 73-0 is considered to be the most lopsided football game ever played.
Alright Darth, it all comes down to Walter Payton vs Red Grange.
Darth Maim said 05/29, 11:06 AM
Sweetness vs The Galloping Ghost for the final spot on the Bears Mount Rushmore.
Payton career NFL stats:
16,726 rushing yards (2nd all-time)
21,803 all-purpose yards (3rd all-time)
110 rushing TD's (4th all-time)
125 total TD's (11th all-time)
In addition to his NFL marks, Payton is the franchise leader in:
most rushing attempts
most rushing yards
8 best rushing seasons
3 of best 4 total TD seasons
and he threw 8 TD passes too
So on the field Walter made his mark. He had a huge impact on his community as well. His volunteer efforts while he was playing helped to solidify his icon status. Payton's generosity was well documented and his legacy is eternal with the Walter Payton Man of the Year award which is presented annually to the NFL player who best exemplifies his selfless spirit.
While Grange is a worthy choice, his inclusion should not be at Payton's expense.
Excellent TD HOOTZ..looking forward to your last argument.....
HOOTZ said 05/29, 11:20 PM
Walter Payton has an astounding resume brimming with the finest of accolades and I'll give his due forever, but Red Grange was the greatest Bear ever, aside from Halas himself.
Joining the NFL in it's infancy, Grange was the preeminent athlete of his time. Multifaceted and always on the go, Grange could play nearly all positions. Both offense and defense. At times being on the field the entire game.
Grange is credited with "legitimizing" the NFL as a true sports association. He began playing for the Bears within weeks of his final game at Illinois University. In his NFL debut on Thanksgiving day 1925 at Wrigley Field, over 36,000 fans were in attendance. An NFL record at the time.
Grange was the NFL's first Big Draw at the gate. The NFL was on the rise because thousands of people wanted to have their chance to see The Galloping Ghost. This led to Grange becoming the first NFL player to sign a contract for as high as $100,000 per year.
Grange could do it all. He scored rushing TDs, receiving TDs, interception TDs, 10 passing TDs and he could even kick extra points after TDs.
Grange's Bears played in the first ever NFL Nationally Broadcast game.
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