- 05/30/2013, 11:47PM ET
Marlins Fan said 05/30, 11:48 PM
The current system involves fining players. It doesn't work.
For one thing, the monetary hit floppers take is minimal. Insignificant, really. LeBron got fined (I think) 5,000 bucks for flopping. You think he cares about five grand?
If the answer's yes, do you think LeBron cares about the five grand if the flop in question helps his team to a playoff win?
Clearly the fine is not a deterrent. It's such an irrelevant amount of money to these guys that they haven't changed the way the flop at all.
So what can the NBA do to stop flopping?
I say they should do nothing. That's right, nothing.
Consider this; I have two boys, both of them are one year old. Not twins, but still both are one. Anyhoo, my little dudes occasionally like to smack me upside the head with paper towel rolls and assorted other petty objects.
Sometimes I flinch. It's a reflex.
I'm 6 feet tall and around 200 pounds. I'm a former linebacker and catcher. I'm not afraid of my boys. But I flinch out of reflex.
Could be the same with NBA floppers. Maybe they anticipated being hit hard.
Or maybe they flopped on purpose. Either way, it's not worth disciplinary action.
TrackRunner116 said 06/01, 02:24 PM
This topic of NBA players flopping is something that not only bothers me A LOT, but I believe is starting to hurt the integrity of the game.
Whatever happened to the good ole' days of players driving down the lane, taking contact, and being a man on the court. Now, the game is shifting towards being more like a soccer game than a basketball game. This is 'Merica darnit. The same country that started fast food restaurants and American football. No one wants to see basketball players flopping in a what should be a contact sport.
While I do agree with you that a little 5 grand is nothing for players that make millions of bucks a year, however, I completely disagree with you with your solution to the problem because it would be absolutely silly for the NBA to do nothing about flopping.
Doing nothing is the last thing the league should do. And secondly, come on man. You are flinch from a soft paper towel roll that your little kids are throwing at you? And yes flinching is a reflex but there is a difference between flinching and straight up acting like you got mauled by a freight train in a basketball game.
Marlins Fan said 06/02, 01:19 AM
You never said what the NBA should do. I get that you don't care for the concept of doing nothing, but we need to hear what it is you would do instead. Not much for me to counter without knowing your ideas.
Anyway, I also get why you dislike flopping. It's weak. It's a little too Euro. Like you said, this is America and whatnot and we don't flop in this country, ya hear? If you don't like it you can just get the hell out. Or something.
But what can we do? Currently any time a flopper is fined it's really just the NBA saying they think a player got too dramatic. And therefore... should be fined? WTF?
What kind of arbitrary BS is this? How is flopping hurting the NBA, anyway? It's just acting. It's not really some egregious violation of any rules or something.
Fans just don't like it. But so what? What's the big deal? How can you even prove the intent of floppers?
Fining players is not an effective solution. There is no effective solution, except for ignoring the flop entirely. Judge fouls based on their own merits.
Floppers usually punish themselves anyway by completely taking themselves out of position to make a play.
TrackRunner116 said 06/02, 04:52 PM
Alright, now I'm getting to my solution to the problem now (Only 1200 characters remember)
I'll tell you what the NBA should do. If it is completely obvious that a guy flopped, then that player should be SUSPENDED for the next game.
Yes you heard me. If you want to get rid of flopping, then take something away from the players that will make them stop flopping and that is taking away their playing time. Crack down the whip. The NBA has got to be like a father punishing his son. Give 'em a good spanking. Don't abuse the child or in this case the player, just show them that this kind of behavior will not be tolerated.
Now you may say well what if the flop was kind of a half hearted flop and really doesn't deserve a 1 game suspension? Fine. Then just suspend the guy for 1 quarter or a half or 3 quarters. Just as long players realize that if they flop, there will be consequences.
"Fans just don't like it. But so what? What's the big deal?"
Um the big deal is that at the end of the day, the NBA is a business. If the NBA isn't putting out a product that people like, then somethings gotta change. No fans=No NBA. Just a bunch of really good basketball players playing ball.
Marlins Fan said 06/02, 10:44 PM
Hardly an adequate solution to the so-called problem.
Look, you said something we both agree on. You said, "at the end of the day, the NBA is a business. If the NBA isn't putting out a product that people like, then somethings(sic) gotta chance."
You're right; the NBA needs to put out a product that fans like. Simple economics.
And you know what the fans like?
WATCHING THE PLAYERS!
If you're suspending players for dumb stuff like flopping how are you expecting to entice fans to come to the games???
Nobody is gonna go see the Heat without LeBron (probably the most notorious/frequent flopper) or the Spurs without all their Euro players who contort their way around the court, flopping at every opportunity. Yes, I'm looking at you, Mr. Rowdy Bald Spot AKA Manu Ginobili.
Suspending players would absolutely kill the product. More than in any other sport, the NBA is a player-driven League.
There is no NBA without LBJ, Durant, Melo and Kobe. And every single one of those guys flop.
Your suggestion (suspensions) would hurt the NBA infinitely more than a couple dudes flopping around like a fish out of water.
TrackRunner116 said 06/02, 11:36 PM
Yeah, I knew this idea wouldn't be very popular because yeah I do wanna see the best players playing out there every night.
HOWEVER, if the NBA did do nothing how are they gonna stop flopping? I honestly believe with as tight as these NBA playoff series have been that if some guy flops to give his team an extra possession or two that it could give his team the win. Thus changing the total outcome of the game. Teams that should have won, lost and vise versa.
Now I'm not saying they should this now, obviously, I'm just saying that if the NBA suspends players anywhere from 1, 2, or 3 QUARTERS or a full game that the flopping would stop. Would this take some getting use to? At first, yes. But at the end of the day, I think this would get players to stop flopping.
It's kinda like hockey by putting someone in the penality box. Just suspend players for a maybe not a game but just PARTS of a game and they will realize that it's not worth it to flop.
So, this not only keeps the integrity of the game in check, but also constructs a product that fans like.
No more flopping. No more girly acting jobs. Just the playing the game of basketball.
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