- 08/02/2013, 11:08PM ET
kalbrecht17 said 08/02, 11:08 PM
Pick the order of the finish (with records both conf and overall for fun) for the BIG
Iowa 3-9 (1-7)
Michigan 11-1 (7-1)
Mich St 8-4 (5-3)
Minn 7-5 (3-5)
Neb 11-1 (7-1)
NW 8-4 (5-3)
Ill 3-9 (1-7)
Ind 6-6 (3-5)
OSU 12-0 (8-0)
PSU- 8-4 (4-4)
Pur- 4-8 (1-7)
Wisc- 5-7 (2-6)
Mich 7-1 by win over Neb
Mich St 5-3 by win over NW
Ill 1-7 by win over Pur
have at it. good luck
Mil Town Proud said 08/06, 12:13 PM
I... I just can't let this slide.
2-6 B1G record for UW? ****? You sound like the typical, jealous MN homer, wishing that UW loses.
For the sake of argument, I'll run down the entire conference:
Michigan - 10-2, (7-1)
Michigan State - 9-3 (6-2)
Northwestern - 8-4 (5-3)
Nebraska - 9-3 (5-3)
Minnesota - 6-6 (3-5)
Iowa - 3-9 (1-7)
Ohio State - 12-0, (8-0)
Wisconsin - 9-3, (6-2)
Penn State - 7-5, (4-4)
Indiana - 5-7 (2-6)
Purdue - 4-8 (2-6)
Illinois - 2-10 (0-8)
Nebraska, despite an advantageous schedule (missing Ohio St and UW) still finishes 4th in their division following losses to Michigan, MSU, and NU.
UW goes 6-2 and reaches 9 wins. UW got a gift of a schedule as well, missing Michigan, Michigan State, and Nebraska. They play Northwestern, Iowa, and Minnesota cross division. In their own division (weaker of the two) they only look up at Ohio State.
Penn State to end the season may be tough, but at that point, PSU might just playing out the string in Year 2 of the postseason ban.
Really, you ought to forfeit for listing UW at 2-6.
kalbrecht17 said 08/06, 06:17 PM
sorry for the error on wisky. I had them losing to mich which they obviously don't play, instead they will beat psu and finish 3-5. but alas we still differ.
the reason I see wisky much differently than you isn't because I dislike the program or anything. mad respect to barry for building what he did. bielema can go screw off but oh well that's irrelevant.
The offense unloads some top shelf talent in Frederick (1st round), Ball (2nd round), and Wagner (5th round). The loss of 2 lineman that are good enough to be draft picks plus a top RB hurts every team (although Gordon/white will still be solid). However the biggest issue is that they still don't have a QB picked and whoever it is will be the key to success. teams will load the box and I don't know if any of the QBs can handle it with a little more pressure from a slightly lesser ground attack.
Major transition going on here from 4-3 to 3-4. Couple that with the fact that only 1 starter returns in the defensive backfield.
Coaching changes cause transitions for every team, especially when the scheme changes. It will be a transition year while Andersen gets his guys in place.
Mil Town Proud said 08/07, 11:29 AM
Let's start with your concern over losing Wagner and Frederick on the offensive line. Those two became the 6th and 7th offensive lineman drafted out of UW since 2011.
UW is a practically a football factory when it comes to churning out the hogmolies. In 2011, UW had three lineman drafted into the NFL. The following season, Montee Ball ran for 1900 yards and 33 TDs. In 2012, UW had two lineman drafted and Ball again ran for 1830 yards and 22 TDs with defenses stacked even more against the run.
The 2013 running game is good hands with White (2500 yds and 32 TDs as a three year back-up) and Gordon running behind the UW behemoths. Stave has had a year of experience, and should settle in as a capable, if not dazzling, playcaller this year.
Defensively, the Badgers have a strong core returning to the front seven, led by Chris Borland (2x All Big Ten) and Pat Muldoon.
Anderson is widely viewed as an upgrade from Bielema, but no worse than a lateral move. I expect Anderson's clock management and adjustments to be major improvement over Bielema.
All told, UW has simply reloaded a three time defending B1G champion, there's no reason to expect a drastic step backward.
kalbrecht17 said 08/07, 09:41 PM
Neb will finish better than the 5-3 record you list. as you've said, they got the gift of schedule this year and coming off a 7-1 campaign last year, I expect much of the same from them. on paper, out of their matchups the only one they are at a disadvantage against talent wise is Mich.
8 starters are back from a unit that last year had no trouble moving the ball. The trio of Martinez, Abdullah, and Bell should be as dynamic a QB, RB, WR combo in the league. In addition the o line is experienced. moving the ball should be no problem.
As I'm sure you agree, here's where the issue lies. yet there is some strength here. all of the CBs are back and there's a lot of experience there. this should be a strength (key for who they match up with ie NW especially). Zaire Anderson (Juco all American who got hurt last year) will be the key for them trying to fill the gap left by the departing LBs.
I agree they lose to Mich, but they'll beat NW due to the advantageous matchup. they run, NW can't stop the run. NW passes, that's Neb's strength this year. adv Neb.
Against MSU they'll load the box and dare Maxwell to beat em. I don't see that happenin
Mil Town Proud said 08/08, 10:25 AM
You are absolutely correct that the issue with Nebraska lies entirely with the defense. Well, mostly. The other issue is that I do not trust Taylor Martinez, under any circumstance.
Martinez can look like a Heisman contender when he's lighting up the likes of Southern Miss and Arkansas St. But Martinez has a knack for turning the ball over, 20 times last year, to be exact.
He may have a stacked offensive line to run behind, but the talent at the other skill positions just isn't there for Nebraska.
Defensively, this team ranked 58th nationally and gave up tons of points in their four losses (53.5 points per loss). Couple those dismal numbers with just two returning players to the front seven, and Zaire Anderson isn't going to be able to hold back floodgates on his own.
I mean, what good is a veteran secondary when Nebraska gives up 354 ypg rushing in their losses, and now will break in almost a completely new front seven?
Northwestern is definitely more well rounded, and I'm giving Michigan St's defense the edge when the weather starts to turn cold.
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