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  • 08/02/2013, 11:08PM ET

Big Ten conference standings pick em

kalbrecht17 (17-11-5) vs Mil Town Proud (7-1-2)
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Pick the order of the finish (with records both conf and overall for fun) for the BIG

Iowa 3-9 (1-7)
Michigan 11-1 (7-1)
Mich St 8-4 (5-3)
Minn 7-5 (3-5)
Neb 11-1 (7-1)
NW 8-4 (5-3)

Ill 3-9 (1-7)
Ind 6-6 (3-5)
OSU 12-0 (8-0)
PSU- 8-4 (4-4)
Pur- 4-8 (1-7)
Wisc- 5-7 (2-6)

Legends:
Mich 7-1 by win over Neb
Neb 7-1
Mich St 5-3 by win over NW
NW 5-3
Minn 3-5
Iowa 1-7

Leaders:
OSU 8-0
PSU 4-4
Ind 3-5
Wisc 2-6
Ill 1-7 by win over Pur
Pur 1-7

have at it. good luck


I... I just can't let this slide.

2-6 B1G record for UW? ****? You sound like the typical, jealous MN homer, wishing that UW loses.

For the sake of argument, I'll run down the entire conference:

LEGENDS

Michigan - 10-2, (7-1)
Michigan State - 9-3 (6-2)
Northwestern - 8-4 (5-3)
Nebraska - 9-3 (5-3)
Minnesota - 6-6 (3-5)
Iowa - 3-9 (1-7)

LEADERS

Ohio State - 12-0, (8-0)
Wisconsin - 9-3, (6-2)
Penn State - 7-5, (4-4)
Indiana - 5-7 (2-6)
Purdue - 4-8 (2-6)
Illinois - 2-10 (0-8)

Biggest differences

Nebraska, despite an advantageous schedule (missing Ohio St and UW) still finishes 4th in their division following losses to Michigan, MSU, and NU.

UW goes 6-2 and reaches 9 wins. UW got a gift of a schedule as well, missing Michigan, Michigan State, and Nebraska. They play Northwestern, Iowa, and Minnesota cross division. In their own division (weaker of the two) they only look up at Ohio State.

Penn State to end the season may be tough, but at that point, PSU might just playing out the string in Year 2 of the postseason ban.

Really, you ought to forfeit for listing UW at 2-6.


sorry for the error on wisky. I had them losing to mich which they obviously don't play, instead they will beat psu and finish 3-5. but alas we still differ.

the reason I see wisky much differently than you isn't because I dislike the program or anything. mad respect to barry for building what he did. bielema can go screw off but oh well that's irrelevant.

Offense:

The offense unloads some top shelf talent in Frederick (1st round), Ball (2nd round), and Wagner (5th round). The loss of 2 lineman that are good enough to be draft picks plus a top RB hurts every team (although Gordon/white will still be solid). However the biggest issue is that they still don't have a QB picked and whoever it is will be the key to success. teams will load the box and I don't know if any of the QBs can handle it with a little more pressure from a slightly lesser ground attack.

Defense:

Major transition going on here from 4-3 to 3-4. Couple that with the fact that only 1 starter returns in the defensive backfield.

Overall:

Coaching changes cause transitions for every team, especially when the scheme changes. It will be a transition year while Andersen gets his guys in place.


Let's start with your concern over losing Wagner and Frederick on the offensive line. Those two became the 6th and 7th offensive lineman drafted out of UW since 2011.

UW is a practically a football factory when it comes to churning out the hogmolies. In 2011, UW had three lineman drafted into the NFL. The following season, Montee Ball ran for 1900 yards and 33 TDs. In 2012, UW had two lineman drafted and Ball again ran for 1830 yards and 22 TDs with defenses stacked even more against the run.

The 2013 running game is good hands with White (2500 yds and 32 TDs as a three year back-up) and Gordon running behind the UW behemoths. Stave has had a year of experience, and should settle in as a capable, if not dazzling, playcaller this year.

Defensively, the Badgers have a strong core returning to the front seven, led by Chris Borland (2x All Big Ten) and Pat Muldoon.

Anderson is widely viewed as an upgrade from Bielema, but no worse than a lateral move. I expect Anderson's clock management and adjustments to be major improvement over Bielema.

All told, UW has simply reloaded a three time defending B1G champion, there's no reason to expect a drastic step backward.


Neb will finish better than the 5-3 record you list. as you've said, they got the gift of schedule this year and coming off a 7-1 campaign last year, I expect much of the same from them. on paper, out of their matchups the only one they are at a disadvantage against talent wise is Mich.

Offense:

8 starters are back from a unit that last year had no trouble moving the ball. The trio of Martinez, Abdullah, and Bell should be as dynamic a QB, RB, WR combo in the league. In addition the o line is experienced. moving the ball should be no problem.

Defense:

As I'm sure you agree, here's where the issue lies. yet there is some strength here. all of the CBs are back and there's a lot of experience there. this should be a strength (key for who they match up with ie NW especially). Zaire Anderson (Juco all American who got hurt last year) will be the key for them trying to fill the gap left by the departing LBs.

Matchups:
I agree they lose to Mich, but they'll beat NW due to the advantageous matchup. they run, NW can't stop the run. NW passes, that's Neb's strength this year. adv Neb.
Against MSU they'll load the box and dare Maxwell to beat em. I don't see that happenin


You are absolutely correct that the issue with Nebraska lies entirely with the defense. Well, mostly. The other issue is that I do not trust Taylor Martinez, under any circumstance.

Martinez can look like a Heisman contender when he's lighting up the likes of Southern Miss and Arkansas St. But Martinez has a knack for turning the ball over, 20 times last year, to be exact.

He may have a stacked offensive line to run behind, but the talent at the other skill positions just isn't there for Nebraska.

Defensively, this team ranked 58th nationally and gave up tons of points in their four losses (53.5 points per loss). Couple those dismal numbers with just two returning players to the front seven, and Zaire Anderson isn't going to be able to hold back floodgates on his own.

I mean, what good is a veteran secondary when Nebraska gives up 354 ypg rushing in their losses, and now will break in almost a completely new front seven?

Northwestern is definitely more well rounded, and I'm giving Michigan St's defense the edge when the weather starts to turn cold.

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August 2, 2013  11:31 PM ET
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sad. no belittling from bm over here yet.

You'd have to wait until Monday if you want BM to rip you.

August 2, 2013  11:36 PM ET
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You'd have to wait until Monday if you want BM to rip you.

damn. will you substitute then?

August 3, 2013  12:27 AM ET

Where is the B1G Championship?!

August 3, 2013  04:08 AM ET
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You'd have to wait until Monday if you want BM to rip you.

Please do not use BM and rip in the same sentence.

August 3, 2013  06:44 AM ET
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Please do not use BM and rip in the same sentence.

That's nightmare fuel! So, everyone please stop using that word and BM together. Thank - you!!!

August 4, 2013  02:44 AM ET

Somebody has a crush on the B1G.

No way Ohio State, Michigan, and Nebraska combine for a 34-2 record. That would mean Michigan lost to Ohio State and Nebraska lost to Michigan, but otherwise they beat every single team on their respective schedules. (Michigan plays Ohio State in 2013, Nebraska does not)

I don't buy any of those three teams enough to buy the suggestion that they'll all go undefeated except for against each other.

August 4, 2013  10:09 AM ET
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Somebody has a crush on the B1G.No way Ohio State, Michigan, and Nebraska combine for a 34-2 record. That would mean Michigan lost to Ohio State and Nebraska lost to Michigan, but otherwise they beat every single team on their respective schedules. (Michigan plays Ohio State in 2013, Nebraska does not)I don't buy any of those three teams enough to buy the suggestion that they'll all go undefeated except for against each other.

Yeah, since Ndamukong Suh left, Nebraska's defense has taken a plummet and are prone to giving up a ton of points.

August 4, 2013  03:54 PM ET
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Yeah, since Ndamukong Suh left, Nebraska's defense has taken a plummet and are prone to giving up a ton of points.

Indeed. They gave up 70 to Wisconsin in last season's B1G title game and then allowed 45 to UGA in their bowl game.

Not to mention Taylor Martinez has the mechanics of a poor man's Tim Tebow.

August 4, 2013  04:55 PM ET
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Somebody has a crush on the B1G.No way Ohio State, Michigan, and Nebraska combine for a 34-2 record. That would mean Michigan lost to Ohio State and Nebraska lost to Michigan, but otherwise they beat every single team on their respective schedules. (Michigan plays Ohio State in 2013, Nebraska does not)I don't buy any of those three teams enough to buy the suggestion that they'll all go undefeated except for against each other.

At the very least, Michigan and Nebraska will have out-of-conference losses to Notre Dame and UCLA respectively.

August 4, 2013  07:38 PM ET
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At the very least, Michigan and Nebraska will have out-of-conference losses to Notre Dame and UCLA respectively.

I agree. And I wouldn't be surprised to see the Spartans beat one or both of Michigan and Nebraska, as well

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August 5, 2013  02:40 AM ET
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At the very least, Michigan and Nebraska will have out-of-conference losses to Notre Dame and UCLA respectively.

I don't think Notre Dame will have the same story as last year, by a long shot, I expect them to take a dive.

August 5, 2013  02:53 AM ET
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you know to me the league this year is going to be top heavy. the middle of the pack is all missing important pieces like QBs (Mich St, PSU) or just aren't there yet. i will wholeheartedly admit if Mich St can figure out their QB situation, they will rocket up this list pretty quick and then the whole landscape changes. I just don't think Maxwell is the answer though. he seems scared of the big moment.The notre dame game i played with for a long while. i just think nd will regress quite a bit this year since golson really was what made them move. plus their d lost teo. in addition its at the big house which is always a tough place to play.i expect the Neb UCLA game to be a tossup stats wise. however the game's in lincoln and that's why i give Nebby the edge.OSU really got an easy ride this year in terms of sked in my opinion. no mich st. no nebby. only real tough ones i can see for them are in early game against cal that they should only lose if they show up sleeping, @ NW if they are getting lazy/buying into the hype, and @ the big house to end the season. I think anything short of undefeated regular season will be a failure in their eyes and Urban knows that. i guess i should've thrown in somewhere that some team will lose to a **** non conf team that they shouldn't. i just didn't know which one to pick.

Notre Dame is still going to have a top ten defense. Their defensive line alone contains two likely top five picks in Tuitt and Nix III, and even without Golson they still have an experienced QB in Tommy Rees.

Besides losing Teo I don't see any reason to anticipate a major drop off from Notre Dame at all, and even the loss of Teo is negated somewhat by ND's current mix of upperclassmen and young talent at linebacker and particularly by the dominance of the defensive line.

ND's line is going to be really, really good. Good enough to make the entire defense good.

August 5, 2013  02:53 AM ET
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I don't think Notre Dame will have the same story as last year, by a long shot, I expect them to take a dive.

I think they'll surprise people.

August 5, 2013  03:04 AM ET
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i guess i should've thrown in somewhere that some team will lose to a **** non conf team that they shouldn't. i just didn't know which one to pick.

Understandable. That's sort of the fatal flaw of prediction TDs, in my experience. You can either follow the straight and narrow and always pick favorites with maybe an educated upset or two, or you can stray outside the lines and pick a handful of random upsets, in which case you are forced to use hunches and conspiracy theories as an argument.

August 5, 2013  12:29 PM ET
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Notre Dame is still going to have a top ten defense. Their defensive line alone contains two likely top five picks in Tuitt and Nix III, and even without Golson they still have an experienced QB in Tommy Rees. Besides losing Teo I don't see any reason to anticipate a major drop off from Notre Dame at all, and even the loss of Teo is negated somewhat by ND's current mix of upperclassmen and young talent at linebacker and particularly by the dominance of the defensive line.ND's line is going to be really, really good. Good enough to make the entire defense good.

honestly they could do the same as last year, or they could be how mich st ends up every year it seems. they'll have a solid d line, which should help the part of the team which kind of scares me which is their secondary. the reason i brought up teo was that he was the inspiration on that defense and seemed to get them going when they needed to make a big stop (or he made the play himself). now someone could step in and fill those shoes, but to do it as near flawlessly as teo did last year will be tough

August 5, 2013  12:29 PM ET
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Understandable. That's sort of the fatal flaw of prediction TDs, in my experience. You can either follow the straight and narrow and always pick favorites with maybe an educated upset or two, or you can stray outside the lines and pick a handful of random upsets, in which case you are forced to use hunches and conspiracy theories as an argument.

this is true, but still makes it fun to do lol

August 5, 2013  08:15 PM ET
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honestly they could do the same as last year, or they could be how mich st ends up every year it seems. they'll have a solid d line, which should help the part of the team which kind of scares me which is their secondary. the reason i brought up teo was that he was the inspiration on that defense and seemed to get them going when they needed to make a big stop (or he made the play himself). now someone could step in and fill those shoes, but to do it as near flawlessly as teo did last year will be tough

I almost agree about Teo except I believe that even Manti looked as good as he did because of Louis Nix III and Stephen Tuitt, too.

Not sold on ND's offense but their defense is gonna be fierce.

 
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