- 08/06/2013, 07:34PM ET
MattUSA said 08/06, 07:34 PM
This throwdown is to list the 5 Greatest Dallas Cowboy players of All time.
From #5 to #1.
#5 Michael Irvin.
Often overlooked in the list of greatest WR's, but make no mistake he was a beast. One of leaders of the Great teams of the 90's.
#4 Randy White.
His nickname says it all, "The Manster"...1/2 man 1/2 monster.
#3 Emmitt Smith.
The NFL's all time leading rusher has be on this list.
#2 Roger Staubach.
It was a close call for me, but I just couldn't put him at #1. He was everything you could ask for as QB in the NFL. Great leader, great heart, great athlete and unbelievable competitor.
#1 Bob Lilly.
There is reason he called "Mr. Cowboy". Much like Joe Greene did with the Steelers, Lilly brought an unwillingness to accept losing. That, teamed with his ability to dominate the line of scrimmage turned the Cowboys into a Championship team.
Marlins Fan said 08/07, 01:10 AM
5. Michael Irvin
Agree with Irvin at #5.
4. Larry Allen
People are going to absolutely ream me for this pick. I can live with that. Larry Allen was the best offensive lineman I'm Dallas Cowboys history. He was known as the NFL's strongest player for most of his career and he was the most dominant offensive lineman I have ever followed. Without Allen, Emmitt isn't Emmitt. Emmitt isn't the all time rushing leader. Aikman doesn't connect with Irving so frequently. Chances are Dallas doesn't steamroll it's way to three rings in the 90s. Allen is often overlooked but was completely indispensable.
3. Bob Lilly
Lilly was a beast, but wasn't as important as the quarterback. I have to put Lilly behind the QB who retired with the NFL's highest (at the time) rating and was MVP of Super Bowl VI.
2. Roger Staubach
I agree with you on Staubach at #2.
1. Emmitt Smith
To a Cowboys fan like me, Emmitt IS the Cowboys. At least he's the Cowboys all time greatest player.
Great topic, Matt, and good luck. Thanks for throwing me a bone with this one.
MattUSA said 08/07, 10:42 AM
I like your picks. It gives us a very straight forward debate. Just 2 things to dispute in the last two arguments.
1. Who is the greatest Cowboy, Lilly or Emmitt?
2. Who is the greater Cowboy, L. Allen or R. White?
I will begin with #2.
When you talk about the greatest Cowboys of the late 70's early 80's only Staubach stands above Randy White. White was a 7 time first team all pro. Beating out Joe Greene in 1978 & 1979. Yes, he was that great.
Randy's regular season achievements are many.
Only missed 1 game in his 14 year career.
9 pro bowl selection.
Over 1,100 tackles.
Defensive Player of the Year in 1978.
1980's all decade 1'st team
Randy's playoff number only got better.
9 playoff sacks (4 in his 3 SB's).
1 playoff safety
1 playoff int.
1 Super Bowl MVP.
Larry Allen was a great player, no doubt. His accolades just don't reach the level of "The Manster".
When you look at the all decade team of the 1990, the OT are Willie Roaf & Gary Zimmerman.
The 2000's all decade team OT's are Jonathan Ogden & Walter Jones.
Larry Allen is/was a great Cowboy, just not at the level of Randy White.
Marlins Fan said 08/08, 01:18 AM
Sticking with the same portion of the argument that you focused on, there are a few quick points I'd like to make.
First, Larry Allen wasn't an OT, which is why he didn't make the All Decade teams as a tackle. Allen did, however, make both the 90's All Decade team and the 2000's All Decade team as a guard. Because Larry Allen was a guard. Best guard I've ever seen, to be specific.
We're talking about an 11 time Pro Bowler, a 7 time All Pro, a Super Bowl champion, a Hall of Famer.
Danny White was a great Cowboy. Amazing sack artist. Like Larry Allen, a Hall of Famer.
One thing that separates the two, in my mind, is the way they are perceived.
White isn't even regarded as the best defensive lineman in Cowboys history; that honor is usually reserved for Lilly. There is no doubt that Larry Allen is the greatest offensive lineman ever to wear the Star, though.
Remember how good those 90's Cowboys teams were? How they ran on everybody? How Aikman always had time to sit back and look for Irvin, or Harper, or Novacek, or Johnston, or whomever?
All due to the strength of Dallas' offensive line.
Larry Allen was more indispensable than Randy White.
MattUSA said 08/09, 11:18 AM
Who is the greatest Dallas Cowboy?
Bob Lilly was the first draft pick in Cowboy history.
He was the first Cowboy rookie of the year.
The first Cowboy named All Pro.
First member of the Cowboys Ring of Honor.
The first "true" Cowboy elected into the Hall of Fame.
Bob Lilly is the Greatest player to ever wear a Cowboys uniform.
Lilly made the Pro Bowl team 11 of his 14 years in the league. Nine of those as a first team All Pro. He helped turn an expansion team into a perennial contender for the Championship. The Cowboys made the post season 8 of his last 9 seasons as a Cowboy. Playing in 7 NFL/NFC Championship games.
Lilly never once missed a game in the regular season. Playing in an unbelievable 196 straight games over 14 full NFL seasons. If he had an injury he played through it. If he thought he should be paid more, he went on the field and proved it. Always putting the team first.
Emmitt Smith may have been equal to Bob Lilly as an NFL player, but not as a Dallas Cowboy.
There is only one Mr. Cowboy.......Bob Lilly
Marlins Fan said 08/10, 02:17 AM
I'll give you this much, Lilly has a lot of firsts on his resume. There is definitely a certain romanticism attached to being the first to do something, but that doesn't make it the greatest ever of that particular thing.
Emmitt may not have been the first Cowboys player to accomplish a bunch of things but his career is noteworthy for a host of other reasons.
Emmitt has three Super Bowl rings. Bob Lilly has one. Emmitt has a Super Bowl MVP trophy; Lilly does not.
Emmitt is also the NFL's all time leading rusher. The most accomplished running back in the history of the league. Lilly's 94.5 QB sacks places him WAY down the NFL's all time list. The list only includes players' official sack totals so Lilly isn't on the list because all his sacks were unofficial, but even excluding players with unofficial sack totals that would normally rank above Lilly, the best he could do is 37th on the all time sack list. His actual number is much lower, however.
One last note, Lilly was not, as you stated, a nine time All Pro first team selection. He was an All Pro nine times in total, seven times as a first team selection and twice as a second teamer.
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