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  • 09/11/2013, 02:44PM ET

Are you ok with the Oklahoma State story?

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I'm not.

I think it's weak that the entire story is based off hearsay. There is no evidence in this case and there probably wont be any coming any time soon. I listened to an interview with one of the guys who broke the story (IIRC his name was Cole) and the guy admitted everything wad based on hearsay.

That is to say, the reporters found a couple rats to squeal on their former teammates. I don't like it.

Whatever happened to sports being a fraternity, a brotherhood? It's sad that these former teammates, former friends, are spilling the beans. Even if the story is true, which is not a guarantee by any stretch, it's pretty pathetic to run around telling on folks years after the fact.

Not only that but we already know boosters are giving players money at schools all across America. And I don't get why we should care.

Maybe it's against the rules. So what? It's a petty rule anyway, one designed to ensure the schools reap all the financial benefits of players being associated with their school.

I think people have a problem with the payments because they're jealous.

The whole thing is petty and distasteful.

Disagree?

Bring it.

And good luck.


I live in the great state of Oklahoma. I like both OU and OSU football.

For the past 15 years OSU has gotten tired of big brother OU beating that butt year after year. They have been jealous to say the least of the success of OU. Billionaire T. Boone Pickens has donated in excess of $500 MILLION dollars to the OSU program so they can buy their way into the National spotlight. And that is just what they did. Right , Wrong or Indifferent I have no problem with former players squealing.

Now the legitimacy of their claims still has to be proven. I am sure that OSU will defend their school to the bitter end. And I am just as sure the NCAA will try their level best to slam the crap out of them over these allegations.

But, after seeing Reggie Bush give up his Heisman; after seeing Ohio State players Terelle Pryor and others suspended for selling stuff they OWNED; and after the lengthy NCAA investigation into the Miami Hurricanes football program and the claims that alum Shapiro paid athletes there, I have to say , the folks here don't feel it to be petty at all.

Okie's are are NOT above the law. These types of things are always distasteful no matter the program.

MTC


I have no doubt that Ok St has benefited from boosters, mainly T. Boone Pickens. That's an undeniable fact.

And it would surprise me if old man Pickens hasn't paid players over the years. I'd bet a number of the Cowboys' boosters have paid players.

Players are paid at probably every competitive school in the country. What (allegedly) happened at Oklahoma State can't be any different than what happens at Alabama, or USC, or Texas, or Ohio State, etc. Players are receiving "illegal" payments everywhere, undoubtedly.

It's still happening and it's never gonna be completely eliminated. The war on boosters paying student athletes is a losing battle and a waste of time in my opinion, but that's not my main concern here.

My issue is with the way this story has come out. And when.

The story contains nothing but hearsay, some of it dated as far back as 2000. That crap wouldn't hold water in a court of law.

And the players being thrown under the bus for accepting money aren't even associated with the program anymore. Neither is the coach in question, Les Miles.

But the current members of the football program at Ok St will suffer because of this.

It ain't right.


I have to disagree with you on the fact that it is all heresay. The timeframe really does not matter because this is NOT the NCAA releasing the story it is SI.

When you have several players coming forward and saying I GOT PAID or I was given aide in my school work, that is not heresay. That is a statement for the record. Now, I will say this again, I am not certain these players are telling the truth, but I will say at the very least with OSU it is not the first time players have come forward.

As was reported in the SI article , they reflected back to Dexter Manley that admitted to the world in 1989 that he played four years of ball at OSU, and he could not read above a second grade level.

I think there is like 120 Division 1 schools in the BCS purview and of those only like 20 have a legitimate shot year in, year out at the NC. Of those 20 , probably all have actually done some type of impropriety that would violate some NCAA rule; intentionally or not.

Does the interviews with the OSU players seem too staged? Maybe

Does the interviews sound like sour grapes by players left behing? Not all of them.

But they are statements not hearsay.

MMTC


Well by now I guess it's not all just hearsay anymore since we're actually seeing interviews with former players who claim to have received money. But what really bugs me about this story is the way guys are ratting on former teammates.

Again, those former teammates cant be hurt by this story; only the current and future players can, if there happens to be any loss of scholarships upcoming.

Basically these former players are ratting just because they want to be on Tv, or SI paid them for the interview or something.

This isn't about justice. As I said, justice isn't even possible because the "guilty" parties aren't even in school anymore.

And whatever happened to NOT being a tattletale?

Where I come from ratting on folks is frowned upon to say the least. Especially in a situation like this where there is no justice to be had anyway.

This whole ordeal stinks, I tell ya. I don't have a lot of fancy words or stats to sway anyone toward my point of view, and in a way this is more of a rant than a TD, I suppose.

But I'm not ok with the Oklahoma State story, not one bit. It's a bad deal and in my opinion some things are better left unsaid.

Good luck.


I agree that only current and future players to be are going to pay the penalty, and that is sad.

However, for many, many years now that is how it works; we have all seen it before. To include stupid crap like the sanctions against PSU for the whole molestation deal with Sandusky. Why should the players suffer for that crap? Same deal, NCAA being the malignant tumor they are holding the hammer of Thor.


WHO at the University Athletic Department has made any official statement at all against the claims. Former players have denied things. Former and current teachers have denied some of the accusations. But on one in the AD has denied the accusations

Mike Holder, AD said:

"I apologize to all the athletic directors in the conference for what's about to happen, for what's about to be said about a member institution," Holder said at a news conference without taking questions. "That reflects on everyone, all our brothers and peers; we're very remorseful about that."

He is remorseful that the statements to be released reflects on everyone in the Big 12, NOT that they might be true. I have an issue with that.

If guilty let the chips fall where they may.

September 11, 2013  02:48 PM ET

So, is the bottom line argument whether or not the whole thing is petty and distasteful or whether I think the interviews are staged from former players with sour grapes to stomp?

September 11, 2013  02:53 PM ET
QUOTE(#1):

So, is the bottom line argument whether or not the whole thing is petty and distasteful or whether I think the interviews are staged from former players with sour grapes to stomp?

I guess the first one.

For me I just think the story never should've came out. The "evidence" (AKA hearsay) is flimsy at best and releasing this "information" helps no one. It just hurts many folks' reputations.

IMO the story should not have ever been published. Especially not presented as fact. I'm hoping someone disagrees, that someone is "ok" with the story coming out.

September 11, 2013  04:01 PM ET

this wouldn't be an issue if there was never any reason for it to come up. its not as if OSU's rise didn't raise some eyebrows along the way. do i think its weird its all based on hearsay? not really. what stupid booster would leave it all out there for people to track? this is usually how it starts. now is publishing it nationally petty? not really because SI wants money of course. is it distasteful? not to me. if there was potential cheating going on, you should be punished. i'm not going to start judging the people involved, innocent until proven guilty. but i'm interested to see where this leads. especially if it gets all the way back to Pickens

September 11, 2013  04:14 PM ET

IMO it is going to get back to Pickens. An excess of 500 Million Dollars will go a long way toward corruption. Believe me, folks here in the SW part of the state (many Longhorn fans here) have wondered for several years now how OSU got to be as good as they have been of late in such a short time period.

September 12, 2013  02:03 AM ET
QUOTE(#4):

IMO it is going to get back to Pickens. An excess of 500 Million Dollars will go a long way toward corruption. Believe me, folks here in the SW part of the state (many Longhorn fans here) have wondered for several years now how OSU got to be as good as they have been of late in such a short time period.

In my opinion there's not much to wonder about. Pickens is known as sort of the godfather of Ok St football, sort of the Phil Knight to Oklahoma State's Oregon, if you will.

September 12, 2013  02:04 AM ET

And it should go without saying that Ok St boosters have probably paid players, just like boosters of other schools pay their players.

September 12, 2013  02:17 PM ET

First and Foremost, OlderThanDirt, you cannot like both OU and Oklahoma State (the real OSU is in Ohio). Period. That's like saying you like the Redskins and the Cowboys.

There is nothing wrong with this investigative piece published by Sports Illustrated. They spent 10 months interviewing and investigating, and they are stating the facts as they were presented to them.

However, because there is no hard evidence of money changing hands, players smoking weed, etc., there will likely be no repercussions from the NCAA, i.e. Johnny Manziel. The only evidence available to go on is that which is coming from former players, most of whom left the organization on poor terms.

I'm not sure why T. Boone Pickens' name keeps coming up in this thread. The story clearly states that Pickens was not implicated in ANY of the allegations. Even if he did have involvment, money talks, and T. Boone has a lot of it, to the tune of around $2 billion. He is stacked with lawyers and has enough money to buy SI and shut it down. Furthermore, I'm sure he has the legal and political connections to disband the entire NCAA.

I am not concerned with the payment of players. At all. I don't care if they had players signed to multi-million dollar deals. The real concern is the academic misconduct, the drugs, and the sexual misconduct. If this was really happening at Oklahoma State, how many other schools are tolerating and encouraging this gross violation of morals and ethics? Is this why players like Johnny Manziel believe they are above the law and "entitled"? Is this why so many student-athletes end up in jail after their playing days are over? I believe all universities now have an obligation to conduct internal investigations to ensure this sort of atrocious misconduct is not occurring within their walls.

September 12, 2013  02:57 PM ET

so tell me why I can't like both schools/teams? I did not say they were my favorites or such. I am transplanted to Oklahoma via the military and I pull for both schools in football over any other school in the Big 12. When it comes time for Bedlam between the two, I always pull for OU.

September 12, 2013  03:00 PM ET

T. Boone's name keeps surfacing for a couple of reasons, at least from me.

First , he is the primary benefactor of huge sums of money that was intrusted to OSU.
Secondly, he is the ONLY one to come forward with any type of statement so far other than the AD telling the fans they were going to hear some disturbing things against the school in the next week or so.

September 12, 2013  03:15 PM ET
QUOTE(#9):

so tell me why I can't like both schools/teams? I did not say they were my favorites or such. I am transplanted to Oklahoma via the military and I pull for both schools in football over any other school in the Big 12. When it comes time for Bedlam between the two, I always pull for OU.


T. Boone's name keeps surfacing for a couple of reasons, at least from me. First , he is the primary benefactor of huge sums of money that was intrusted to OSU. Secondly, he is the ONLY one to come forward with any type of statement so far other than the AD telling the fans they were going to hear some disturbing things against the school in the next week or so.

If you're cheering for them as simply a college football fan and not a true fan of either school, then I guess it's cool. They're just bitter rivals, and I, for one, enjoy an Oklahoma State loss almost as much as an OU win.

I understand that, but you stated specifically, "IMO it is going to get back to Pickens. An excess of 500 Million Dollars will go a long way toward corruption." It just doesn't make sense to make that statement. The SI report stated specifically that Pickens was not implicated in any of the misconduct. In fact, ESPN went as far as to say Pickens had been EXONERATED. Pickens is worth far more than $500 million, and the NCAA can't touch him. Period.

From one military member to another, thank you for your service.

September 13, 2013  09:41 AM ET
QUOTE(#7):

That's like saying you like the Redskins and the Cowboys.

While I am not one of them, there are some people that are loyal to team, then division.....and so you can get people that are Skins fans that also will root for the Cowboys, Iggles or Gints when they play anyone other than the Skins....I like both UMD and Duke for college basketball, and I root for ACC teams over non-ACC teams....ACC basketball is usually so much better than other conferences anyway...

September 13, 2013  12:02 PM ET
QUOTE(#11):

While I am not one of them, there are some people that are loyal to team, then division.....and so you can get people that are Skins fans that also will root for the Cowboys, Iggles or Gints when they play anyone other than the Skins....I like both UMD and Duke for college basketball, and I root for ACC teams over non-ACC teams....ACC basketball is usually so much better than other conferences anyway...

there you go!....That is the way I am on most college sports.

However, being raised in North Carollina I am very partial to ACC for basketball, especially Roy and the Boys....But I will pull for Duke in a game against any non conference team..........

September 13, 2013  12:23 PM ET
QUOTE(#11):

While I am not one of them, there are some people that are loyal to team, then division.....and so you can get people that are Skins fans that also will root for the Cowboys, Iggles or Gints when they play anyone other than the Skins....I like both UMD and Duke for college basketball, and I root for ACC teams over non-ACC teams....ACC basketball is usually so much better than other conferences anyway...

I guess I've never understood cheering for an entire division and/or conference, i.e. fans that chant "SEC!" Or giving an entire conference credit for one team's championship; Alabama won the BCS National Championship =/= the SEC won the BCS National Championship.

To each, his own, I guess.

September 13, 2013  02:04 PM ET
QUOTE(#13):

I guess I've never understood cheering for an entire division and/or conference, i.e. fans that chant "SEC!" Or giving an entire conference credit for one team's championship; Alabama won the BCS National Championship =/= the SEC won the BCS National Championship.To each, his own, I guess.

I can see that. I think I started doing some of that "division/conference" cheering when I got tired of hearing all about the Big East in Basketball. All the media outlets pushing the Big East as the greatest conference going. And at the same time the ACC won like 3 of 4 NC in a row......I think that was when I began pulling, team first, conference second.

Even now in NCAAF, I don't like to see a Big 12 school lose outside of the conference because the media rips them a new one and makes it seem like the entire conference is weak.

Look at how the media has played it already this year with Miami beating Fla and Clemson beating GA.

September 13, 2013  02:27 PM ET
QUOTE(#13):

I guess I've never understood cheering for an entire division and/or conference, i.e. fans that chant "SEC!" Or giving an entire conference credit for one team's championship; Alabama won the BCS National Championship =/= the SEC won the BCS National Championship.To each, his own, I guess.

Same.

 
September 13, 2013  02:27 PM ET
QUOTE(#14):

I can see that. I think I started doing some of that "division/conference" cheering when I got tired of hearing all about the Big East in Basketball. All the media outlets pushing the Big East as the greatest conference going. And at the same time the ACC won like 3 of 4 NC in a row......I think that was when I began pulling, team first, conference second.Even now in NCAAF, I don't like to see a Big 12 school lose outside of the conference because the media rips them a new one and makes it seem like the entire conference is weak.Look at how the media has played it already this year with Miami beating Fla and Clemson beating GA.

ACC>SEC

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