- 09/11/2013, 02:44PM ET
Mrlns Fn said 09/11, 02:44 PM
I think it's weak that the entire story is based off hearsay. There is no evidence in this case and there probably wont be any coming any time soon. I listened to an interview with one of the guys who broke the story (IIRC his name was Cole) and the guy admitted everything wad based on hearsay.
That is to say, the reporters found a couple rats to squeal on their former teammates. I don't like it.
Whatever happened to sports being a fraternity, a brotherhood? It's sad that these former teammates, former friends, are spilling the beans. Even if the story is true, which is not a guarantee by any stretch, it's pretty pathetic to run around telling on folks years after the fact.
Not only that but we already know boosters are giving players money at schools all across America. And I don't get why we should care.
Maybe it's against the rules. So what? It's a petty rule anyway, one designed to ensure the schools reap all the financial benefits of players being associated with their school.
I think people have a problem with the payments because they're jealous.
The whole thing is petty and distasteful.
And good luck.
OlderthanDirt said 09/11, 03:12 PM
I live in the great state of Oklahoma. I like both OU and OSU football.
For the past 15 years OSU has gotten tired of big brother OU beating that butt year after year. They have been jealous to say the least of the success of OU. Billionaire T. Boone Pickens has donated in excess of $500 MILLION dollars to the OSU program so they can buy their way into the National spotlight. And that is just what they did. Right , Wrong or Indifferent I have no problem with former players squealing.
Now the legitimacy of their claims still has to be proven. I am sure that OSU will defend their school to the bitter end. And I am just as sure the NCAA will try their level best to slam the crap out of them over these allegations.
But, after seeing Reggie Bush give up his Heisman; after seeing Ohio State players Terelle Pryor and others suspended for selling stuff they OWNED; and after the lengthy NCAA investigation into the Miami Hurricanes football program and the claims that alum Shapiro paid athletes there, I have to say , the folks here don't feel it to be petty at all.
Okie's are are NOT above the law. These types of things are always distasteful no matter the program.
Mrlns Fn said 09/12, 02:02 AM
I have no doubt that Ok St has benefited from boosters, mainly T. Boone Pickens. That's an undeniable fact.
And it would surprise me if old man Pickens hasn't paid players over the years. I'd bet a number of the Cowboys' boosters have paid players.
Players are paid at probably every competitive school in the country. What (allegedly) happened at Oklahoma State can't be any different than what happens at Alabama, or USC, or Texas, or Ohio State, etc. Players are receiving "illegal" payments everywhere, undoubtedly.
It's still happening and it's never gonna be completely eliminated. The war on boosters paying student athletes is a losing battle and a waste of time in my opinion, but that's not my main concern here.
My issue is with the way this story has come out. And when.
The story contains nothing but hearsay, some of it dated as far back as 2000. That crap wouldn't hold water in a court of law.
And the players being thrown under the bus for accepting money aren't even associated with the program anymore. Neither is the coach in question, Les Miles.
But the current members of the football program at Ok St will suffer because of this.
It ain't right.
OlderthanDirt said 09/12, 09:36 AM
I have to disagree with you on the fact that it is all heresay. The timeframe really does not matter because this is NOT the NCAA releasing the story it is SI.
When you have several players coming forward and saying I GOT PAID or I was given aide in my school work, that is not heresay. That is a statement for the record. Now, I will say this again, I am not certain these players are telling the truth, but I will say at the very least with OSU it is not the first time players have come forward.
As was reported in the SI article , they reflected back to Dexter Manley that admitted to the world in 1989 that he played four years of ball at OSU, and he could not read above a second grade level.
I think there is like 120 Division 1 schools in the BCS purview and of those only like 20 have a legitimate shot year in, year out at the NC. Of those 20 , probably all have actually done some type of impropriety that would violate some NCAA rule; intentionally or not.
Does the interviews with the OSU players seem too staged? Maybe
Does the interviews sound like sour grapes by players left behing? Not all of them.
But they are statements not hearsay.
Mrlns Fn said 09/13, 03:22 AM
Well by now I guess it's not all just hearsay anymore since we're actually seeing interviews with former players who claim to have received money. But what really bugs me about this story is the way guys are ratting on former teammates.
Again, those former teammates cant be hurt by this story; only the current and future players can, if there happens to be any loss of scholarships upcoming.
Basically these former players are ratting just because they want to be on Tv, or SI paid them for the interview or something.
This isn't about justice. As I said, justice isn't even possible because the "guilty" parties aren't even in school anymore.
And whatever happened to NOT being a tattletale?
Where I come from ratting on folks is frowned upon to say the least. Especially in a situation like this where there is no justice to be had anyway.
This whole ordeal stinks, I tell ya. I don't have a lot of fancy words or stats to sway anyone toward my point of view, and in a way this is more of a rant than a TD, I suppose.
But I'm not ok with the Oklahoma State story, not one bit. It's a bad deal and in my opinion some things are better left unsaid.
OlderthanDirt said 09/13, 09:58 AM
I agree that only current and future players to be are going to pay the penalty, and that is sad.
However, for many, many years now that is how it works; we have all seen it before. To include stupid crap like the sanctions against PSU for the whole molestation deal with Sandusky. Why should the players suffer for that crap? Same deal, NCAA being the malignant tumor they are holding the hammer of Thor.
WHO at the University Athletic Department has made any official statement at all against the claims. Former players have denied things. Former and current teachers have denied some of the accusations. But on one in the AD has denied the accusations
Mike Holder, AD said:
"I apologize to all the athletic directors in the conference for what's about to happen, for what's about to be said about a member institution," Holder said at a news conference without taking questions. "That reflects on everyone, all our brothers and peers; we're very remorseful about that."
He is remorseful that the statements to be released reflects on everyone in the Big 12, NOT that they might be true. I have an issue with that.
If guilty let the chips fall where they may.
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