- 09/15/2013, 09:23PM ET
Mrlns Fn said 09/15, 09:23 PM
Two part TD: which team does the worst with the most NFL talent, and which team does the best with the least?
Argue the first part in your first argument, the second part in your second, and use the third for final arguments. Closing arguments, if you will.
Team that does the least with the most talent: the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
This team is absolutely loaded with talent. When thinking about which team to pick there was only one other team that I even considered for being as talented yet disappointing as the Bucs. I'm not gonna name the other team; that's my opponent's job. You probably know who.
Anyway we have Josh Freeman, a guy with an absolute cannon for an arm as quarterback. Freeman is big and strong, he's semi athletic, he's young, heck he's even black. (just kidding)
Doug Martin killed it last year. Great big play, durable RB.
Vincent Jackson is the best big play WR in football, and his bookend is Mike Williams, another playmaker.
Even the offensive line has big names; Davin Joseph, Carl Nicks.
Defensively the line is stacked; Clayborn, McCoy, Bowers, etc.
Revis and Barron in the secondary.
The Bucs should be WAY better.
Mil Town Proud said 09/16, 09:39 AM
Through two weeks, the most talented 0-2 team has to be:
The New York Football Giants
You want talent?
Eli Manning, Victor Cruz & Hakeem Nicks. A capable, if not specatuclar offensive line.
Justin Tuck, JPP, Mark Herzlich and a few former 1st/2nd round picks in the defensive backfield.
This team is loaded with talent, only...
They turned the ball over on their first three possessions against the Cowboys and have turned the ball over 9 times in two games so far.
Eli Manning is on pace for a cool 56 INTs.
In a wide open NFC East, the Giants are digging themselves a hole with their 0-2 start.
The offense is in sad shape with the turnovers and the sad desperation move of signing Brandon Jacobs. And the defense let the Broncos march up and down the field yesterday afternoon.
Commiting 9 turnovers and allowing 38.5 points per game is a good way to squander talent, giving them the edge in this argument.
As for "which team does the best with the least," I will select the Kansas City Chiefs.
More on them in the second argument.
Good Luck, MF.
Mrlns Fn said 09/16, 04:21 PM
Thanks Gus, good luck to you as well, sir.
Team that does the most with the least talent: New England Patriots.
The Patriots are a weird team; their reputation as an annual Super Bowl contender is a little dated but at the end of the day we can't say they're not contenders. Every year. So I guess their reputation isn't actually dated; it fits, it just hasn't translated into an actual SB ring in a number of years.
But the point remains that the Patriots are always a competitive team. Playing NE is never an easy challenge and every year you can make a case for the Patriots representing the AFC in the SB.
And why is that?
It sure isn't because of a wealth of talent. Obviously Tom Brady is one of the greatest QBs of this or any generation. He may retire as the GOAT, I don't know. But beyond Brady the cupboard is pretty bare.
The Patriots do have a couple useful players like Jerod Mayo and Chandler Jones but overall their roster is deficient of talent.
They don't have a consistently good running back. They don't have any good receivers. Tight end is a huge void. The secondary is a mess. No depth, team wide.
Yet they're always really good.
Mil Town Proud said 09/16, 05:18 PM
Yes, the Patriots are 2-0, but their wins are far from impressive. A combined 5 points over the Jets and Bills?
Come on now. New England has one of the better offensive lines in the NFL, based on the accolades of Nate Solder, Logan Mankins, and Sebastian Vollmer.
You are correct about the consistently good running back, in part, because they have two quality backs. With Vereen out, expect Ridley to get a ton of press. These Patriots have been in the top 10 rushing in two of the last three years. How does that happen? A good line and good backs.
Defensively, the Patriots are good deep unit.
The Chiefs, after going 2-14 last year have tied their win total already at 2-0.
They played a complete game against Jacksonville, and held off a more talented (at least, more notorious) Cowboys team for win #2.
With what? Defensively, the Chiefs are largely anonymous. Eric Berry and Brandon Flowers headline an otherwise non-descript unit.
Offensively, cast-off Alex Smith is efficiently leading a Chiefs offense that averaged 13.2 points per game.
Talent in KC?
Jamaal Charles and Dwayne Bowe are definitely not equivalent to Tom Brady.
Kansas City is the correct answer
Mrlns Fn said 09/17, 01:54 AM
Top ten in rushing doesn't tell the whole story. Ridley is so fumble prone he recently lost his starting job. And then Vereen got hurt. Belichick doesn't trust Ridley, and rightfully so. He's a turnover waiting to happen. I just don't see the depth at RB, partiularly with Vereen out.
And in 2012 the Pats finished 25th in total defense and 23rd in scoring defense. In a division not known for high powered offenses. They play the Jets twice a year, for crying out loud. Not a good defense by any stretch.
Conversely, the Chiefs have plenty of talent on the roster.
The offensive line features studs in Brandon Albert, Rodney Hudson and Eric Fisher, the top pick in the 2013 draft.
Alex Smith is a good QB, regardless of his reputation. There isn't a more underrated QB in the NFL. Add in Jamaal Charles, Dwayne Bowe, Dexter McCluster, former 1st rounder AJ Jenkins, the offense in general has tons of talent.
The defense features a pair of 1st rounders in Dontari Poe and Tyson Jackson on the D line, and Derrick Johnson, Tamba Hali, Justin Houston and Akeem Jordan make for a very deep LB group.
Plus Flowers, Berry, and Sean Smith in the secondary.
KC actually underperforms.
Mil Town Proud said 09/17, 09:31 AM
Tampa Bay v New York for underperforming.
I don't think I should even have to explain this one. The Giants offensively, could and should be a handful, with Eli directing Victor Cruz and Hakeem Nicks, but the problem is between the ears with Eli. Add in the beasts on the Giants front seven and its a no-brainer.
Tampa Bay has a few good players, but overall, there is little beyond Doug Martin and V-Jax. Revis is only entering his third game since rehab, so where he is physically is unknown. Freeman is hot garbage and doesn't deserve mention as an asset.
Now for the Patriots, lets just say they definitely get value for their draft picks.
You have Tom fricking Brady leading a pretty talented team. So their receivers are young, inexperienced, the rest of the roster is fairly impressive.
Draft position is not an absolute guarantee of talent. If so, the clear answer for underperforming would be the Jags, who pick in the top 5 on a yearly basis. Blindly pointing out 1st rounders has no basis unless you show how their talent correlates with draft position.
We didn't hear about this apparent abundance of talent last year as they slogged their way to 2-14.
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