- 10/02/2013, 05:15PM ET
Marlins Fan said 10/02, 05:27 PM
Disclaimer: I'm going with the five remaining undefeated teams. Weak, I know, but I couldn't justify changing this list just for the sake of you not being able to accuse me of an easy win attempt. Don't like it, don't take it.
You probably expected Seattle. Everybody loves Seattle. But their offense is miles behind the Saints offense and the defenses are much closer than you might realize. In my opinion the Saints would spanking the Seahawks if they played right now.
It's still very dominant defense, dominant enough to win games on their own.
Hasn't always been pretty but undefeated is undefeated. Plus they just got a nice win over a decent-to-good Falcons team. And Amendola and (more importantly) Gronk are both on their way back. Pats are about to get real scary, I think.
Not a sexy team; I get that. They were bad last year but these Chiefs are different. Andy Reid and Alex Smith were just what the doctor ordered, apparently, and once top overall pick Eric Fisher gets it together the running game will make KC very tough to beat, or more so than they already are.
DO_WORK_SON said 10/02, 08:45 PM
I'll take the Seahawks over the Saints on a neutral field.
Remove the Patriots and Chiefs from the list.
Insert the Colts and Lions.
Marlins Fan said 10/02, 09:42 PM
I just don't see Russell Wilson and his crew of scrub receivers matching points with Brees and Co. And although I admitted Seattle is very good defensively they don't match up well with the Saints. The strength of Seattle's defense lies in their pass coverage, specifically in Richard Sherman. Well NO's offense is very much spread out. Besides Jimmy Graham (who the Seahawks have no answer for) there is no pecking order among New Orleans' receivers. Used to be Colston and then everyone else but these days Darren Sproles is as likely to catch a few TD's as anyone else.
Point being, Seattle dominates defensively because they have great man on man corners. Which doesn't help against the Saints, because who are you even gonna stick Sherman on? He can't cover Graham, and placing him on any single receiver wouldn't hurt Brees or even slow him down.
No, Seattle wouldn't be able to stop the Saints passing game. NO would put up plenty of points, just like they always do. And you KNOW Russell Wilson wouldn't be able to keep pace with Brees.
This may sound flippant but if these two teams played right now I would expect the Saints to win by at least two TD's if not more.
DO_WORK_SON said 10/03, 08:49 AM
So... your entire argument for the Saints over Seahawks is "Brees spreads the ball around"? That's great; Eli Manning has more receivers with double digit receptions than Drew Brees; how is that working out for New York? Of course Brees spreads the ball around; he throws it as much as anyone in the league.
The Saints matchup against the Seahawks defense would be a nightmare for New Orleans. The Saints have no running game. Even if they wanted to run the ball, they couldn't; they just don't have the rushing talent in the backfield. The Seahawks could scheme on the New Orleans passing attack all day and never worry about the run.
Russell Wilson doesn't have to "keep pace" with Brees. He has guys that can actually run the ball, including himself; in fact, Wilson has more rushing yards than the Saints leading rusher. But don't think for a second that the Saints can just scheme to stop the run; you know Wilson can throw it over the top. Next...
The Patriots might not even be the best team in their division. Brady's offense looked to be coming around against Atlanta, but Atlanta's pass D is ranked 27th. Patriots have played 1 offense ranked top 10, but their D is still 17th...
Marlins Fan said 10/03, 03:23 PM
My argument was, the Saints personnel and scheme matches up well with Seattle's and would allow them to neutralize the strength of the Seahawks' defense. Simple, yet profound. And don't pretend Wilson can hang with Brees; that's ludicrous. Moving along...
The Detroit Lions? Really, DWS? The same Lions team that lost to the Arizona Cardinals? What's that about?
The Lions are an extremely flawed team. You see, they cant stop anybody. Sure, Detroit can score with regularity but they give up points nearly as quickly. The Lions have allowed at least 20 points in every game this year. The Cardinals, who are 25th in scoring offense, scored 25 against Detroit. Even Tampa Bay held Arizona to half that.
Matter of fact two of Detroit's three wins have came against the Redskins and Vikings, who have a cumulative record of 3-5. Detroit's other win came against Chicago but it was a relatively close game, and only happened because the Bears were playing with "Bad Jay". Cutler was way off target that game and it cost the Bears a win.
To this point in the season Detroit has zero meaningful wins.
And the Colts beat a struggling 49ers team, and the Raiders and Jags. Wow.
DO_WORK_SON said 10/04, 04:55 AM
The Patriots squeaked by the Bills and the Jets, and they beat the Buccaneers and a 1-3 Falcons team; the Chiefs have beaten the Jags and 3 NFC East teams. And you want to talk about the Colts' and Lions' strength of schedule?
The Colts have played a stronger schedule than the Patriots and the Chiefs. Struggling 49ers team? They didn't struggle against St. Louis or Green Bay. They only struggled against the Seahawks and the Colts, and they played the Colts at Candlestick. The Colts belong in the top 5.
In retrospect, Miami (who I have 6th) might be easier to argue than the Lions, but that Lions offense is potent; that offense showed against the Bears that it is really rolling now. Sure, Detroit's defense is suspect, but it's actually only 2 spots behind New England's in the rankings, and Detroit's offense is clearly better than New England's and Kansas City's.
The Colts beat the 49ers AT Candlestick. The Lions beat a pretty good 3-1 Chicago team. The Chiefs have ZERO quality wins. The Patriots are going to hang their hat on a win over a 1-3 Falcons team, I guess.
Strenght of schedule was definitely not a good closing argument for you...
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