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  • 10/02/2013, 05:15PM ET

Top 5 NFL teams right now.

Marlins Fan (156-78-31) vs DO_WORK_SON (63-27-14)
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Disclaimer: I'm going with the five remaining undefeated teams. Weak, I know, but I couldn't justify changing this list just for the sake of you not being able to accuse me of an easy win attempt. Don't like it, don't take it.


1. BRONCOS

Duh.

2. SAINTS

You probably expected Seattle. Everybody loves Seattle. But their offense is miles behind the Saints offense and the defenses are much closer than you might realize. In my opinion the Saints would spanking the Seahawks if they played right now.

3. SEAHAWKS

It's still very dominant defense, dominant enough to win games on their own.

4. PATRIOTS

Hasn't always been pretty but undefeated is undefeated. Plus they just got a nice win over a decent-to-good Falcons team. And Amendola and (more importantly) Gronk are both on their way back. Pats are about to get real scary, I think.

5. CHIEFS

Not a sexy team; I get that. They were bad last year but these Chiefs are different. Andy Reid and Alex Smith were just what the doctor ordered, apparently, and once top overall pick Eric Fisher gets it together the running game will make KC very tough to beat, or more so than they already are.


Good luck.


I'll take the Seahawks over the Saints on a neutral field.

Remove the Patriots and Chiefs from the list.

Insert the Colts and Lions.


I just don't see Russell Wilson and his crew of scrub receivers matching points with Brees and Co. And although I admitted Seattle is very good defensively they don't match up well with the Saints. The strength of Seattle's defense lies in their pass coverage, specifically in Richard Sherman. Well NO's offense is very much spread out. Besides Jimmy Graham (who the Seahawks have no answer for) there is no pecking order among New Orleans' receivers. Used to be Colston and then everyone else but these days Darren Sproles is as likely to catch a few TD's as anyone else.

Point being, Seattle dominates defensively because they have great man on man corners. Which doesn't help against the Saints, because who are you even gonna stick Sherman on? He can't cover Graham, and placing him on any single receiver wouldn't hurt Brees or even slow him down.

No, Seattle wouldn't be able to stop the Saints passing game. NO would put up plenty of points, just like they always do. And you KNOW Russell Wilson wouldn't be able to keep pace with Brees.

This may sound flippant but if these two teams played right now I would expect the Saints to win by at least two TD's if not more.


So... your entire argument for the Saints over Seahawks is "Brees spreads the ball around"? That's great; Eli Manning has more receivers with double digit receptions than Drew Brees; how is that working out for New York? Of course Brees spreads the ball around; he throws it as much as anyone in the league.

The Saints matchup against the Seahawks defense would be a nightmare for New Orleans. The Saints have no running game. Even if they wanted to run the ball, they couldn't; they just don't have the rushing talent in the backfield. The Seahawks could scheme on the New Orleans passing attack all day and never worry about the run.

Russell Wilson doesn't have to "keep pace" with Brees. He has guys that can actually run the ball, including himself; in fact, Wilson has more rushing yards than the Saints leading rusher. But don't think for a second that the Saints can just scheme to stop the run; you know Wilson can throw it over the top. Next...

The Patriots might not even be the best team in their division. Brady's offense looked to be coming around against Atlanta, but Atlanta's pass D is ranked 27th. Patriots have played 1 offense ranked top 10, but their D is still 17th...


My argument was, the Saints personnel and scheme matches up well with Seattle's and would allow them to neutralize the strength of the Seahawks' defense. Simple, yet profound. And don't pretend Wilson can hang with Brees; that's ludicrous. Moving along...

The Detroit Lions? Really, DWS? The same Lions team that lost to the Arizona Cardinals? What's that about?

The Lions are an extremely flawed team. You see, they cant stop anybody. Sure, Detroit can score with regularity but they give up points nearly as quickly. The Lions have allowed at least 20 points in every game this year. The Cardinals, who are 25th in scoring offense, scored 25 against Detroit. Even Tampa Bay held Arizona to half that.

Matter of fact two of Detroit's three wins have came against the Redskins and Vikings, who have a cumulative record of 3-5. Detroit's other win came against Chicago but it was a relatively close game, and only happened because the Bears were playing with "Bad Jay". Cutler was way off target that game and it cost the Bears a win.

To this point in the season Detroit has zero meaningful wins.

And the Colts beat a struggling 49ers team, and the Raiders and Jags. Wow.


The Patriots squeaked by the Bills and the Jets, and they beat the Buccaneers and a 1-3 Falcons team; the Chiefs have beaten the Jags and 3 NFC East teams. And you want to talk about the Colts' and Lions' strength of schedule?

The Colts have played a stronger schedule than the Patriots and the Chiefs. Struggling 49ers team? They didn't struggle against St. Louis or Green Bay. They only struggled against the Seahawks and the Colts, and they played the Colts at Candlestick. The Colts belong in the top 5.

In retrospect, Miami (who I have 6th) might be easier to argue than the Lions, but that Lions offense is potent; that offense showed against the Bears that it is really rolling now. Sure, Detroit's defense is suspect, but it's actually only 2 spots behind New England's in the rankings, and Detroit's offense is clearly better than New England's and Kansas City's.

The Colts beat the 49ers AT Candlestick. The Lions beat a pretty good 3-1 Chicago team. The Chiefs have ZERO quality wins. The Patriots are going to hang their hat on a win over a 1-3 Falcons team, I guess.

Strenght of schedule was definitely not a good closing argument for you...

October 2, 2013  05:17 PM ET

Aw hell naw... damn argument failed to post and apparently copy/paste isn't gonna work.

Sigh.

I guess I'll try again...

October 2, 2013  05:24 PM ET

1. jags with tim tebow
2. jags without tim tebow
3-rest: don't matter

October 2, 2013  05:29 PM ET
QUOTE(#2):

1. jags with tim tebow2. jags without tim tebow3-rest: don't matter

Just my opinion but Khan should give Timmy a job. Jags are going nowhere without him, might as well let them go nowhere with him while simultaneously appeasing Tebow's hometown fans and giving them a reason to watch at all.

From a football standpoint it'd be an exercise in futility but from a business standpoint it makes a world of sense

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October 2, 2013  05:38 PM ET
QUOTE(#4):

Who has KC beaten?

Jaguars, Cowboys, Eagles, Giants.

If you can think ofa better team to place in the top five right now then it's your lucky day because this TD is still open.

October 2, 2013  05:40 PM ET

spank*

How is it possible that my Kindle's auto correct feature recognizes spanking as a valid word but not spank?

You would think the root word would be the known variation.

October 2, 2013  05:57 PM ET

1-Denver Broncos


2-Denver


3-Broncos


4-The Broncos


5-The Denver Broncos

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October 2, 2013  06:28 PM ET
QUOTE(#7):

1-Denver Broncos2-Denver3-Broncos4-The Broncos5-The Denver Broncos

Well at least you were able to come up with one team...

October 2, 2013  06:29 PM ET
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Or more accurately, it would be 3 arguments. Just can't argue about any of the other 4.

Fair enough.

Still can't think of anybody I think is better than KC right now but I get your point about only having one change.

Chances are this TD will never be accepted, IMO, because it's pretty difficult poking holes at the top four, and particularly the top three.

October 2, 2013  07:30 PM ET

i could move teams around in your top 5 and remove KC if that counts...

October 2, 2013  09:40 PM ET

Good opening arguments and I agree with right, the Patriots don't belong on the list.

October 2, 2013  09:43 PM ET

Hey DWS, I'm gonna argue the Seahawks-Saints right now and hit Indy and Detroit in my third.

Gotta admit, I'm surprised to see the Lions on your list. Curious to hear your argument.

And good luck, my friend.

October 2, 2013  09:43 PM ET
QUOTE(#13):

Good opening arguments and I agree with right, the Patriots don't belong on the list.

But the Lions do?

October 2, 2013  09:50 PM ET
QUOTE(#15):

But the Lions do?

Let's just see how he argues it. My remark about good opening arguments was made in jest. Obviously right didn't present much to agree with.

Nice topic MF.

October 2, 2013  11:02 PM ET

by 2 TD's??? that sir is ridiculous.
1. saints D is not very strong against the run. they rank 22nd and give up 5.5 a carry despite blasting the fins and cards and forcing them to throw all game
2. you are underestimating sherman and you are forgetting to mention browner. you put sherman on one side of the field and it takes away that receiver. even despite the fact that they have options, its one route getting shut down. and you know he's gonna be all over the field so that you can't just run that guy as a decoy as you won't know who it is. plus browner can get physical with whoever he is covering and i'd take him over whoever he lines up against. there's 2 less options for brees with a good pass rush coming at him.
3. bobby wagner is good in coverage and can at least somewhat neutralize sproles. Miami's D was awful at even putting a guy in the vicinity of sproles. Seattle won't have those busted coverages all day.

saints might win, but there's no way its by 2 TD's at least, even if its in the superdome. Seattle is good against the pass and possesses the ball with a power run game, something the saints don't match up well against

October 2, 2013  11:02 PM ET

lions on this list confuse me also... offense is legit, but that D is still pretty yuck

October 3, 2013  03:05 AM ET
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by 2 TD's??? that sir is ridiculous. 1. saints D is not very strong against the run. they rank 22nd and give up 5.5 a carry despite blasting the fins and cards and forcing them to throw all game2. you are underestimating sherman and you are forgetting to mention browner. you put sherman on one side of the field and it takes away that receiver. even despite the fact that they have options, its one route getting shut down. and you know he's gonna be all over the field so that you can't just run that guy as a decoy as you won't know who it is. plus browner can get physical with whoever he is covering and i'd take him over whoever he lines up against. there's 2 less options for brees with a good pass rush coming at him.3. bobby wagner is good in coverage and can at least somewhat neutralize sproles. Miami's D was awful at even putting a guy in the vicinity of sproles. Seattle won't have those busted coverages all day.saints might win, but there's no way its by 2 TD's at least, even if its in the superdome. Seattle is good against the pass and possesses the ball with a power run game, something the saints don't match up well against

I didn't forget to mention Browner. Or Earl Thomas or Kam Chancellor. We all know the Seahawks have a great secondary, and we know the players. Also I'm not underestimating Richard Sherman. I know he can change a game all by himself; we saw it recently against San Fran.

All I'm saying is I believe that Drew Brees somewhat unusual method of spreading the ball around equally would negate some of Seattle's advantage in the secondary, because taking away one guy doesn't hurt the Saints.

And to your point about the Saints' supposedly weak run defense, they're only four spots behind the 18th ranked Seahawks. Not to mention when you're playing NO rarely do you get to establish much of a run game, because you're usually trying to play catch up with Brees and the Saints' offense.

I just think New Orleans matches up fairly well with Seattle.

 
October 3, 2013  03:06 AM ET
QUOTE(#16):

Let's just see how he argues it. My remark about good opening arguments was made in jest. Obviously right didn't present much to agree with.Nice topic MF.

Fair enough, and thanks.

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