- 10/03/2013, 11:40PM ET
HOOTZ said 10/03, 11:40 PM
The debate is about Patrick Roy's coaching debut with the Colorado Avalanche which took place on Wednesday October 2nd vs the Anaheim Ducks. The Avalanche won the game 6-1.
Roy was issued a game misconduct and subsequently fined $10,000 by the league.
Here is Roy's game ending tirade:
Does anyone want to argue this should be considered a successful coaching debut? Because, I really don't think it was. All I'm seeing is a man who hasn't matured correctly.
Roy has always been known for his quick temper and periodic outbursts, but history shouldn't keep repeating itself and that's exactly what's happening.
On December 2, 1995 against the Red Wings, Roy was subjected to the worst beating in Montreal Canadians franchise history. He gave up 9 goals before being pulled from the game by Coach Mario Tremblay.
He then started yelling at Tremblay for leaving him in. Then he yelled at team president Ronald Corey, saying he would never play for Montreal again!
Roy's antics have grown old and stale. He pushed the glass twice and it leaned. Tell me how this helps his reputation?
Argos. said 10/04, 11:24 AM
It will become a problem if it happens repeatedly. But it hasn't, and if this is a rare occurrence, it is a success for Roy and the Avs.
First, he shows he is gonna stick up for his players. MacKinnon took a cheap shot, and Roy was not gonna stand for it. MacKinnon is their potential franchise player, and Roy was not gonna let his team be pushovers, and he was gonna prove a point to the rest of the league...his team will not get pushed around, and you don't mess with their stars.
Also, since he is willing to go to battle for his players, you hope that his players will go to battle for him now.
Thirdly, Roy was always a fiery and passionate guy. He wants his team to play that way, and he will coach that way. Doing what he did show his players the type of passion he will bring to the table and the type of passion he expects out of his guys.
4th, you was never in danger. Roy can take Bruce easily.
5th, Roy has been coaching for 10 or so years now, and been very successful in the Junior ranks, he knows what he is doing.
6th, how do your antics grow stale after 1 game & antic?
Finally, how can a 6-1 defeat in your first NHL game, as a coach, be considered a fail?
HOOTZ said 10/04, 11:25 PM
Roy has only coached ONE game, obviously this hasn't repeated itself so far this season. This isn't a rare occurrence by any stretch of the imagination.
Since Roy is serving his 1 game misconduct tonight vs Nashvillle, I would like you to take a moment to digest exactly what happened.
The misconduct penalty was handed out AFTER the game. The game was OVER. His first day on the job and he's fined $10,000. Even after a 6-1 victory...
That is not the definition of success. Nor is it rational behavior.
In any game when a team is down 6-1 with a face off during the final seconds, with all the players clutched together motionless waiting for the puck to drop, there is going to be a cheap shot. I know it, you know it and Roy knows it.
Roy's bantering and hollering at the opposing players, almost certainly guarantees that the Ducks are going to zero in on MacKinnon even more the next time around. Isn't that nice to know for MacKinnon? Gee thanks Coach.
The only thing Roy has proven is that he refuses to change while the world changes around him. He's not a child anymore and it's time for him to stop acting like one.
Does he really know what he's doing?
Argos. said 10/05, 10:55 AM
He won 6-1 in his debut. The #1 pick got two points in his debut. Roy showed he will stick up for his players, and the passion he demands out of them. He won 6-freaking-1. How is this a failure?
Roy has never been rational. That isn't him. Sure he goes about things in an unorthodox way, but he sticks up for his players and wins games. Everyone knew, especially Joe Sakic and Colorado, what they were getting. This isn't like he has never coached before. This is just classic Roy.
Plus, the next day, Roy defended himself. He said he never chirped at the Duck players, or was yelling at Perry. So really, we don't know who to believe. Bruce could be making **** up. He was just simply yelling at Bruce, and that happens all the time in the NHL.
And why would the Ducks focus in on MacKinnon more next time? Maybe only because he tore them up in his debut. But I doubt they will be trying to give him another cheap shot, because they know the Avs wont be tolerating that.
And why was there gonna be a cheap shot at the end? That is dumb to say. Not every game ends in a cheap shot.
HOOTZ said 10/05, 11:08 PM
Your whole theory of Roy showing his passion and his willingness to stick up for his players doesn't wash. Especially when it was Patrick Bordeleau going after Bonino that started the ruckus to begin with AND he went on to hit more than just Bonino.
Have you figured out that the consequences of Bordeleau's action LED to the hit on MacKinnon? Because, your argument to date suggests that you haven't made that connection.
For a Coach to be handed a one game misconduct penalty in his debut is absolutely ludicrous! He STILL has 81 games to go. You're making it sound like he is already successful and he's not.
The following day when Roy defended himself means little to nothing so far as how inaccurate he was. He clearly yelled at Perry. No amount of spin will extinguish that fact from reality.
Sakic knew what he was getting alright... an ill tempered figure head who will fill seats for a while. Roy had no reason to become upset, let alone irate.
Roy's debut went from being a nice opening win into a charade and an embarrassment. What good did it do for Colorado? Roy is in for a long season if that's the best he's got.
Good TD Argos.
Argos. said 10/06, 11:23 AM
You make it sound like Roy is gonna get a game misconduct every game, he isn't. He probably wont get another one this season.
Watch the video again. Look at the players reactions on the bench. The Avs players are loving it, smiling and getting into things with the Ducks with Roy. That was a great way to rally your team around you, in your first game. Players love it, and they bond over it, and they rally around each other. These players will be sticking up for each other all year now.
Fast forward to 2:35
One of the greatest coaches of the last generation. Pat Burns, he loses it. Anyone questioning him?
FF to 0:36
Two playoff teams, two Cup winning coaches.
Arguably the games best current coach, and best GM. They got into it too, pretty good and for a long time.
There are countless other examples. This stuff happens.
Roy has passion. He will stick up for his players. And his team will rally around him and it.
This is no big deal.
And he won, 6-1.
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