- 10/31/2013, 11:36AM ET
Tpop1 said 10/31, 11:36 AM
The inflated statistics of ???Steroid Era???, have negatively impacted MLB historical records and are now impacting Hall of Fame voting.
Before he leaves office, Bud Selig should unilaterally restore Aaron & Maris??? rightful records(bring out the Ford Frick *)
One can eliminate player statistics which were artificially inflated through the use of steroids and other PED???s. This adjustment takes a look at each player known to use and / or strongly suspected of using PED???s.
In short, throw out all records in a player???s steroid years, and substitute the average of the non-steroid years for the those number of Roid years.
mikeycook said 10/31, 12:50 PM
Frick wanted the asterik because Maris set the record in more games (162 vs 154) than Ruth. You think PEDs are an advantage? How much of an advantage are extra games?
The case is even more obvious with Aaron. 8 more games per season than Ruth times 20 years is almost a full season. You think that didn't give Aaron a huge advantage? Not to mention all the amphetamines everyone was taking.
But baseball made the right decision. The asterik was ridiculous and unnecessary. Maris and Aaron having the records in no way diminished what Ruth accomplished. They were just different records from different eras.
PEDs are unfortunate, but removing them from the records books involves ignoring every player from the past 30 years. You cannot make your own assessments of who you suspect and who you don't. I can make PED cases for Cal Ripken, Nolan Ryan, Derek Jeter, and Chipper Jones, who most people don't suspect. You can't remove PEDs without removing every player of the last 30 years. And you can't just throw out the "steroid years" because you have no idea when they really started.
Tpop1 said 10/31, 01:13 PM
PEDs are unfortunate ... That's quite an understatement!!!
....but removing them from the records books involves ignoring every player from the past 30 years. ......... Not all players just those implicated by 2003 positive tests, mentioned by Mitchell Report, admitted users. inplicated by others, etc.
See web site www.realbbstats.com for more info on player adjustments - which years adjusted for what players!
One can use Inductive reasoning, which is a valid scientific approach ??? basically the ??? If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it???s a duck??? theory of deduction.
mikeycook said 10/31, 01:53 PM
First of all, the calculations on that site are garbage. No way that 12 of mark McGwire's 16 years were legit and only 4 marked with steroids. Steroids allegations were around the Oakland clubhouse since the late 80s. I would posit that most of his career was aided by steroids.
Second, if you want the "if it looks like a duck" logic, how about the following?
How did Cal Ripken break Lou Gehrig's iron man streak, playing a much tougher position physically, without any PEDs whatsoever? As we know now, PEDs are not just about strength, but recovery.
How did Nolan Ryan have 5 peak years from age 40-45 and pitch 2 no-hitters without steroids. They were already a known factor in MLB. Knowing what we now know about Roger Clemens, how was this possible?
How did Chipper Jones win the 1999 MVP without steroids, when THE NEXT 12 GUYS ON THE LIST ARE ALL KNOWN STEROID ABUSERS? To my knowledge he's never been officially "suspected". Why?
As you say, if it looks like a duck.
Why can't we just leave the numbers as is and have enough knowledge of baseball to know the difference? Maybe we should throw out every record after 1919 because they started using a tighter ball.
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