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  • 11/01/2013, 08:14PM ET

Fantasy NBA team

DJ: RIP Rubin Carter (2-23-1) vs Argos. (184-101-29)
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Rules

-You have to have 5 completely different players so that these 2 teams could (hypothetically) actually play and we argue why our respective teams would win.

-Be creative. It's easy to pick the top player at each position and try to win off popularity votes. There's only one ball, all 5 players have to share it.

PG: Stephen Curry

SG: James Harden

SF: Kevin Durant

PF: Kevin Love

C:Dwight Howard

List first, argue 2nd and 3rd.


"There's only one ball, all 5 players have to share it."

Good point. Pretty sure Durant, Curry, and Harden are all at their best with the ball in their hands, and pretty much ways have the ball.


My team:
PG: Chris Paul
SG: Klay Thompson
SF: LeBron James
PF: Tim Duncan
C: Marc Gasol

I will highlight in my next two arguments that my fantasy team would be more effective offensively and sharing and spreading the ball. Not to mention my team is dominate defensively.

Good luck.


"Good point. Pretty sure Durant, Curry, and Harden are all at their best with the ball in their hands, and pretty much ways have the ball."

Curry is a PG and is averaging 7.5apg so far this season (plus I didn't want to stack my team with the best player at every position) and he can play some good defense.

Harden's a very good playmaker with the ball in his hands and I got KD because every team needs a clutch, go to scorer when the game is on the line.

Kevin Love gives me a solid passing big man who can stretch the defense with his ability to make the outside shot.

I'll concede you have the better PG.

But Harden is a better overall player than Thompson. All Klay does is shoot, he doesn't pass much or even attempt to play defense.

SF is a wash between Durant and James imo.

A healthy Love is better than TD who is already hurt with a chest contusion and will most likely miss the game against the Lakers tonight.

Howard is better than Marc Gasol. Marc might be a better offensive player, but he is nowhere close to being the rebounder or defender Howard is.


You have the players that ranked 5th, 6th, and 8th in the league last year in field goal attempts. And all need the ball to be effective.

I only had Lebron in the top 15, and no other player in the top 30 in field goal attempts per game (Tim Duncan was next at 33). I have a team with players that are notorious for be selfless, with guys like Paul, LeBron and Duncan. Then have two guys who would be no more than role players offensively. Meanwhile, you have a PG, that yes had 6.8 APG last season (with was only 14th in the NBA), but also took more shots than any other PG and is known for his shooting ability, not his passing.

My starting 5 averaged 25.9 assists per game last year, yours 21.1

Remember, 1 ball, 5 players.



Thompson is an elite 3-point shooter (.401) and according to the experts is an elite (top 5 wing player) defensively. He would be the perfect fit.

Duncan is a winner, a better defender, more effective scorer, and is less injury prone. Duncan played more games than Love last year, and the year before, and the year before that, and the year before that, and the one before that.

LeBron is clearly better, don't be stupid.


Wow. Maybe, you don't watch the games but Thompson sucks on defense. What reputable source said he's an elite wing player?

LeBron is a great player, no doubt. But, Durant is the next Kobe Bryant. He's a clutch player who drains shots when the game is on the line.

Last year: http://www.82games.com/1213/CSORT11.HTM

Durant was 4th, James was 7th. Plus, Durant is a better 3-point shooter and FT shooter in the clutch.

My team kills yours in 3-point shooting.

Curry: 45.3%.
Harden: 36.8%
KD: 41.6%
Love: 21.7% (clearly an aberration, he's a 35.2% career shooter)

I can spread the floor and despite you saying otherwise, this is a talented team that can and will pass. You and I both know the bulk of your assists come from 2 players, CP and James. 17, to be exact.

Curry averaged 6.8apg last year, Harden averaged 5.8, Durant 4.6 Love 2.3 and Howard 1.4, but big men rarely get big numbers in that department.

So insinuating that Curry, Harden and Durant are all shameless gunners isn't 100% accurate. They can and will pass. That's evident by Curry averaging 7.5 apg. Even Love is averaging 3apg this season so far.


Here are just three sources (out of many I found), telling the world how Klay Thompson is an elite wing defender:
http://tinyurl.com/m9qmwwy
http://tinyurl.com/l66btrw
http://tinyurl.com/lp6u3no


Here is a quote from one of those links:

"According to 82games, Thompson held shooting guards to a 13.5 PER and small forwards to a 14.1 PER, both numbers below the league average rate of 15. To top if off, Thompson forced all opposing players to shoot at a 35.5 percent clip, 34 percent on isolations and 35.3 on pick-and-rolls, according to SynergySports. Compare that to Tony Allen's respective numbers at 34.2 percent from the field, 36.1 percent on isolations and 30.9 percent on pick-and-rolls. Anytime you can have a guy shoot over 40 percent from distance and provide near-elite defense"


Your team will spread the floor by having four guys stand out by the perimeter and shooting? All you need is one sharp shooter.


Curry is a terrible defender. So is Kevin Love. James Harden is suspect. Three weak defenders. Plus Durant is not elite. My team has 5 elite defenders, according to advanced stats.

My team is more complete.

Plus I got LeBron.

I win. You lose.

November 1, 2013  11:21 PM ET

Marc Gasol is better than Howard defensively. There is more to it than just rebounds and blocks. The advanced stats all point to Marc Gasol. Howard is still probably better offensively though and overall.

But your team is kinda weak defensively at the 1, and 4 position. While Harden is even subject to some defensive issues. My team is as good as it gets defensively.

November 2, 2013  12:38 AM ET

If DJ had picked LeBron instead of Durant this would be an easy call; left would have the superior team. As it is, I think Argos might have a slight advantage mostly because of LeBron.

November 2, 2013  12:39 AM ET

Can't call Durant and LBJ a wash. Just can't.

LeBron is on a whole 'nother level.

November 2, 2013  12:45 AM ET

This team doesn't fit the parameters of the TD but given the choice my team would consist of:

PG- LeBron
SG- Durant
SF- Kawhi Leonard
PF- Duncan
C- Gasol (Marc, obviously)

Kinda liberal with the positions but I think it would work, and given LeBron's court awareness and willingness to pass I wouldn't worry about shot distribution at all. Especially not with Leonard, Duncan, and Gasol rounding out the starting lineup.

November 2, 2013  08:58 AM ET
QUOTE(#1):

..... your team is kinda weak defensively at the 1, and 4 position. While Harden is even subject to some defensive issues. My team is as good as it gets defensively.

I agree.

November 2, 2013  11:33 AM ET

glad to see that the mafia is alive and apparently doing well. would never hear from most of them without dj's TDs.

November 2, 2013  11:35 AM ET
QUOTE(#6):

glad to see that the mafia is alive and apparently doing well. would never hear from most of them without dj's TDs.

Check out the other completed Argos TD: 4 total votes.

November 2, 2013  11:41 AM ET

LOL at Argos. It's a well known fact Thompson isn't a good defender at all.

Watch the games, bro.

November 2, 2013  11:44 AM ET

SB Nation, a Golden State homer site and Joe Moore (never heard of him)?

That's your evidence he's a good defender? Oh my.

November 2, 2013  11:44 AM ET
QUOTE(#7):

Check out the other completed Argos TD: 4 total votes.

That was a soccer TD so 4 votes is actually a lot nowadays.

November 2, 2013  11:59 AM ET
QUOTE(#9):

SB Nation, a Golden State homer site and Joe Moore (never heard of him)?That's your evidence he's a good defender? Oh my.

The stats don't lie.

November 2, 2013  01:18 PM ET
QUOTE(#11):

The stats don't lie.

He's not that good at all. Watch the games.

Nov 3rd, 2012: Jamaal Crawford lit him up for 27 points.

Nov 23rd, 2012: Iggy scored 29 points.

Dec 22nd, 2012: Kobe Bryant torched him for 34 points.

That's just a few games.

November 3, 2013  12:44 AM ET
QUOTE(#8):

LOL at Argos. It's a well known fact Thompson isn't a good defender at all. Watch the games, bro.

That was the general perception early in his career but several NBA analysts and bloggers have made the case that at worst Thompson is a competent defender and at best, perhaps elite. I think amongst NBA sabermetricians, if you will, the commonly accepted reasoning is that Thompson is a plus defender.

Personally I didn't watch a ton of Warriors games outside of the playoffs so I have a narrow view here but in the playoffs Thompson seemed like a good defensive player to me.

November 3, 2013  12:46 AM ET
QUOTE(#12):

He's not that good at all. Watch the games. Nov 3rd, 2012: Jamaal Crawford lit him up for 27 points. Nov 23rd, 2012: Iggy scored 29 points. Dec 22nd, 2012: Kobe Bryant torched him for 34 points.That's just a few games.

What does that prove?

Crawford gets really, really hot sometimes. Kobe's one of the best ever, and 34 isn't far off his career PPG, anyway. Not sure what happened with Iggy but honestly it doesn't prove anything one way or another.

November 3, 2013  10:02 AM ET
QUOTE(#12):

He's not that good at all. Watch the games. Nov 3rd, 2012: Jamaal Crawford lit him up for 27 points. Nov 23rd, 2012: Iggy scored 29 points. Dec 22nd, 2012: Kobe Bryant torched him for 34 points.That's just a few games.

Just picking random games proves nothing at all. Especially when you factor in he does not cover one player exclusively, and defense is a team game, and his teammates suck at it (Curry and Lee particularity) and the team plays a high scoring fast tempo game, so the other team generally scores more.

But lets just pick random games

March 11th, 2013: Carmelo Anthony 14 points
December 29th, 2012: Paul Pierce, 13 points on 4-of-20 shooting.

Or we can do the other way around. LeBron James is regarded as the best defender in the game, but:
April 2nd, 2013: Melo dropped 50 points on LeBron.
Feb 14th, 2013: Durant scores 30+ against LeBron for the second time that season

Or how about Tony Allen? Durant, Kobe, and Harden combined to score 30 points against him 6 times last season.

November 3, 2013  10:03 AM ET
QUOTE(#13):

That was the general perception early in his career but several NBA analysts and bloggers have made the case that at worst Thompson is a competent defender and at best, perhaps elite. I think amongst NBA sabermetricians, if you will, the commonly accepted reasoning is that Thompson is a plus defender.Personally I didn't watch a ton of Warriors games outside of the playoffs so I have a narrow view here but in the playoffs Thompson seemed like a good defensive player to me.

Plus he is just gonna get better. He is only in his third season now, and had mass improvements last season. Plus he has the body and build for a great defender, with his massive wing-span.

November 3, 2013  10:14 AM ET
QUOTE(#15):

Just picking random games proves nothing at all. Especially when you factor in he does not cover one player exclusively, and defense is a team game, and his teammates suck at it (Curry and Lee particularity) and the team plays a high scoring fast tempo game, so the other team generally scores more.But lets just pick random gamesMarch 11th, 2013: Carmelo Anthony 14 pointsDecember 29th, 2012: Paul Pierce, 13 points on 4-of-20 shooting.Or we can do the other way around. LeBron James is regarded as the best defender in the game, but:April 2nd, 2013: Melo dropped 50 points on LeBron.Feb 14th, 2013: Durant scores 30+ against LeBron for the second time that seasonOr how about Tony Allen? Durant, Kobe, and Harden combined to score 30 points against him 6 times last season.

If you take away DJ's ability to cherry pick random stats, what does he have left?

Oh yeah, smugly dismissing anyone's opinion but his.

November 3, 2013  10:17 AM ET
QUOTE(#15):

Just picking random games proves nothing at all. Especially when you factor in he does not cover one player exclusively, and defense is a team game, and his teammates suck at it (Curry and Lee particularity) and the team plays a high scoring fast tempo game, so the other team generally scores more.But lets just pick random gamesMarch 11th, 2013: Carmelo Anthony 14 pointsDecember 29th, 2012: Paul Pierce, 13 points on 4-of-20 shooting.Or we can do the other way around. LeBron James is regarded as the best defender in the game, but:April 2nd, 2013: Melo dropped 50 points on LeBron.Feb 14th, 2013: Durant scores 30+ against LeBron for the second time that seasonOr how about Tony Allen? Durant, Kobe, and Harden combined to score 30 points against him 6 times last season.

It actually does. Against an elite player like Kobe, Thompson gets burned on defense.

November 3, 2013  10:17 AM ET
QUOTE(#17):

If you take away DJ's ability to cherry pick random stats, what does he have left?Oh yeah, smugly dismissing anyone's opinion but his.

Nope. Nice try, though.

 
November 3, 2013  10:20 AM ET
QUOTE(#19):

Nope. Nice try, though.

Because Nope is an intelligent, articulate argument.

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