- 11/14/2013, 03:49PM ET
HighwayCrossingFrog said 11/14, 03:49 PM
In my last TD, I used war to describe NFL, and one member got offended..
I don't see what the problem is..
I personally do it quite a bit..
My dad is a Vietnam vet, and he doesn't see a problem with it either..
Millions of former NFL players have done it in the past..
The most famous was kellen winslow;
"It's war," Winslow said Saturday, his voice raised in the locker room. "They're out there to kill you, so I'm out there to kill them. We don't care about anybody but this U. They're going after my legs. I'm going to come right back at them. I'm a ... soldier."
I personally think this is a beautiful metaphor..
What do you want him to say after a loss?
Yeah, we really su--KC--Ed today?
That's a boring and predictable answer..
His answer was very honest on how he felt of the situation..
I love it when athletes show emotion..
It shows that they care deeply about the sport they are doing..
So is using war as a metaphor to describe the NFL, offensive?
I say no way..
Society is becoming waaaaaY to politically correct..
What ever happened to the gold old days where you didn't have to worry about offending someone?
Sir Loin said 11/14, 04:49 PM
I think you answered your question in your first sentence.
I can't believe I'm about to quote Roger Goodell, but as he said, regarding the Redskins "If one person is offended, we have to listen."
The good old days that you refer to were days of racism and sexism. I'm guessing you're not on the short end of the stick of either of those biases.
Empathy is required to gain wisdom. Do we have to walk on egg shells and treat every subject with kid gloves before we open our fat yaps about everything? No, but if you find value in the pundits, whether sports, politics, or otherwise, that spend their time yelling at each other without listening and digesting anything that the other side has said, you're not going to grow as a human being.
HighwayCrossingFrog said 11/16, 07:42 AM
Have a good weekend..
Interesting points, but I still think I'm right on this one..
Sir Loin said 11/16, 07:17 PM
Apologies if I jumped into a throwdown that was meant for someone else...
You seem to be treating this as if it's an objective subject matter.
But the proof is in the pudding. Someone was offended by your use of War as a metaphor for football. Therefore, it's offensive. It's as simple as that. It doesn't matter if it's an appropriate metaphor, or if it's a tired cliche, or if it seems that someone shouldn't be offended by it.
If this was meant to be a poll to ask people to vote whether they find it offensive or not - that's one thing. I would predict that the majority of people would probably not be offended by the metaphor, but whether a majority of people find it offensive is irrelevant, because I'm betting a majority of people aren't offended by the use of the word "Redskins" for a football team's nickname either.
Since it's a subjective matter, and not objective, the question is "Is it possible that someone would find this offensive?", and since we definitely have at least one person that took offense to it - that meets the exact definition of "offensive".
HighwayCrossingFrog said 11/17, 11:49 AM
Your way too sensitive and politically correct..
Which is the direction society is going..
It's just a colorful metaphor, that is all..
The people that find it too sensitive, I feel sorry for..
Cause if using war as a metaphor hurts your feelings..
Then I bet alot of things hurt your feelings..
Technically life is filled with alot of drama..
I gave mouth to mouth to a dead chick once..
I know what it is too see a young person die in your arms..
While I understand that war is filled with even more drama..
I understand enough of what happens in war..
And like I said my dad is a Vietnam vet and he does not get offended by this analogy..
Sir Loin said 11/17, 07:47 PM
Don't worry about me. I don't take offense easily. I'm personally not offended by the metaphor in question.
But - the fact that you've resorted to ad hominem attacks - attacking me instead of backing your argument, speaks volumes. It's a distraction from what's on the table.
Basically, there are two ways you can go when you've offended someone. You can attempt to invalidate their feelings (good luck), tell them they're wrong, and avoid any semblance of understanding or empathy.
OR - if you wish to remain in good standing with them, you could say "I'm sorry I offended you - I didn't mean to. What was offensive about my statement? I want to understand so I can avoid offending you further in the future."
It seems strange to me that you're capable of sympathy (you feel sorry for people who are too sensitive), but you're incapable of empathy for the same.
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