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  • 11/14/2013, 03:49PM ET

Is using war as a metaphor to describe the NFL, offensive?

HighwayCrossingFrog (175-852-64) vs Sir Loin (4-4-1)
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In my last TD, I used war to describe NFL, and one member got offended..
I don't see what the problem is..
I personally do it quite a bit..
My dad is a Vietnam vet, and he doesn't see a problem with it either..

Millions of former NFL players have done it in the past..
The most famous was kellen winslow;


"It's war," Winslow said Saturday, his voice raised in the locker room. "They're out there to kill you, so I'm out there to kill them. We don't care about anybody but this U. They're going after my legs. I'm going to come right back at them. I'm a ... soldier."



I personally think this is a beautiful metaphor..
What do you want him to say after a loss?
Yeah, we really su--KC--Ed today?
That's a boring and predictable answer..
His answer was very honest on how he felt of the situation..
I love it when athletes show emotion..
It shows that they care deeply about the sport they are doing..

So is using war as a metaphor to describe the NFL, offensive?
I say no way..
Society is becoming waaaaaY to politically correct..
What ever happened to the gold old days where you didn't have to worry about offending someone?


I think you answered your question in your first sentence.

I can't believe I'm about to quote Roger Goodell, but as he said, regarding the Redskins "If one person is offended, we have to listen."

The good old days that you refer to were days of racism and sexism. I'm guessing you're not on the short end of the stick of either of those biases.

Empathy is required to gain wisdom. Do we have to walk on egg shells and treat every subject with kid gloves before we open our fat yaps about everything? No, but if you find value in the pundits, whether sports, politics, or otherwise, that spend their time yelling at each other without listening and digesting anything that the other side has said, you're not going to grow as a human being.


Too busy..
Have a good weekend..
Interesting points, but I still think I'm right on this one..


Apologies if I jumped into a throwdown that was meant for someone else...

You seem to be treating this as if it's an objective subject matter.

But the proof is in the pudding. Someone was offended by your use of War as a metaphor for football. Therefore, it's offensive. It's as simple as that. It doesn't matter if it's an appropriate metaphor, or if it's a tired cliche, or if it seems that someone shouldn't be offended by it.

If this was meant to be a poll to ask people to vote whether they find it offensive or not - that's one thing. I would predict that the majority of people would probably not be offended by the metaphor, but whether a majority of people find it offensive is irrelevant, because I'm betting a majority of people aren't offended by the use of the word "Redskins" for a football team's nickname either.

Since it's a subjective matter, and not objective, the question is "Is it possible that someone would find this offensive?", and since we definitely have at least one person that took offense to it - that meets the exact definition of "offensive".


Your way too sensitive and politically correct..
Which is the direction society is going..
It's just a colorful metaphor, that is all..
The people that find it too sensitive, I feel sorry for..
Cause if using war as a metaphor hurts your feelings..
Then I bet alot of things hurt your feelings..

Technically life is filled with alot of drama..
I gave mouth to mouth to a dead chick once..
I know what it is too see a young person die in your arms..
While I understand that war is filled with even more drama..
I understand enough of what happens in war..
And like I said my dad is a Vietnam vet and he does not get offended by this analogy..


Don't worry about me. I don't take offense easily. I'm personally not offended by the metaphor in question.

But - the fact that you've resorted to ad hominem attacks - attacking me instead of backing your argument, speaks volumes. It's a distraction from what's on the table.

Basically, there are two ways you can go when you've offended someone. You can attempt to invalidate their feelings (good luck), tell them they're wrong, and avoid any semblance of understanding or empathy.

OR - if you wish to remain in good standing with them, you could say "I'm sorry I offended you - I didn't mean to. What was offensive about my statement? I want to understand so I can avoid offending you further in the future."

It seems strange to me that you're capable of sympathy (you feel sorry for people who are too sensitive), but you're incapable of empathy for the same.

November 14, 2013  04:00 PM ET

This is going to be a juicy one:)

November 14, 2013  04:11 PM ET
QUOTE(#1):

This is going to be a juicy one:)

What Kanye West says most nights for $200 Alex.

November 14, 2013  04:14 PM ET

Meant good old days,
Sorry

November 14, 2013  04:14 PM ET
QUOTE(#2):

What Kanye West says most nights for $200 Alex.

He he..

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November 14, 2013  04:15 PM ET

Kellen Winslow Jr is widely regarded as an idiot, mainly for that rant you included....

November 14, 2013  04:17 PM ET

It's certainly a war of attrition too..
How many teams have the same guys from week 1 to week17?

And survey says?........ ZERO!

November 14, 2013  04:18 PM ET
QUOTE(#6):

Kellen Winslow Jr is widely regarded as an idiot, mainly for that rant you included....

Do you really think kellen winslow was the first to use war as a metaphor for the NFL?

November 14, 2013  04:20 PM ET
QUOTE(#6):

Kellen Winslow Jr is widely regarded as an idiot, mainly for that rant you included....

Yeah kellen winslow IS an idiot..
But it's because he rode a motorbike, with his helmet off..

November 14, 2013  04:22 PM ET

Kevin Garnett did it too with basketball..
And I didn't have a problem with that either..

November 14, 2013  04:22 PM ET

I'm going to bring my Uzis!!

November 14, 2013  04:24 PM ET

"This is it," he responded. "It's for all the marbles. I'm sitting in the house loading up the pump, I'm loading up the Uzis, I've got a couple of M-16s, couple of nines, couple of joints with some silencers on them, couple of grenades, got a missile launcher. I'm ready for war."

November 14, 2013  04:25 PM ET
QUOTE(#12):

"This is it," he responded. "It's for all the marbles. I'm sitting in the house loading up the pump, I'm loading up the Uzis, I've got a couple of M-16s, couple of nines, couple of joints with some silencers on them, couple of grenades, got a missile launcher. I'm ready for war."

I think that is hilarious...

November 14, 2013  04:36 PM ET

NFL players risk serious-war-like injuries..
They can break their spinal cord and have major concussions that lead in depression and suicide..
Every game, they risk their knees and their lives..

They play through pain and injury too..
RG3 in the play offs last year is a great example..

There are alot of similarities..

November 14, 2013  04:44 PM ET

Ewa is going to scream bloody murder when he sees this TD:)

November 14, 2013  04:52 PM ET

I'll post my 2nd argument tomorrow..

I hope this breaks the 100 comments..

November 14, 2013  05:02 PM ET
QUOTE(#15):

Ewa is going to scream bloody murder when he sees this TD:)

Nope!

November 14, 2013  10:02 PM ET

Using "war" as a metaphor when discussing the NFL is not offensive; using it to describe storage auctions is.

November 14, 2013  10:59 PM ET

It's not war. You don't bring your wife and kids to watch war. It is better compared to a "roman chariot race now".

 
November 15, 2013  01:31 AM ET
QUOTE(#18):

Using "war" as a metaphor when discussing the NFL is not offensive; using it to describe storage auctions is.

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