- 12/02/2013, 02:54PM ET
Marlins Fan said 12/02, 02:54 PM
There are a bunch of teams that suck and a bunch of teams that have sucky quarterbacks. We don't have enough space to talk about all of them, so narrow it down to the three teams that need a 1st round QB more than the other teams.
My choices are the Jaguars, Jets, and Vikings.
There are other teams that could use a QB, like the Cardinals, Chiefs, Texans, Raiders, etc. But all those teams at least have passable QBs already on the roster.
The teams I mentioned either do not (Jets) or have decent players who offer no future (Jaguars with Henne, Vikings with Ponder).
The Jags need q QB bad. Jacksonville fans are used to losing and ineptitude. The only thing that could reinvigorate their fan base is a promising young QB.
Minnesota fans are already vigorated, so to speak, but the franchise has wasted a lot of years from talented players like Adrian Peterson and Jared Allen and Minnesota needs a QB to prove to their fans that they're trying to compete with the other teams in their division. The North has Rodgers, Stafford, and Cutler/McCown, and then Minny has Ponder/Cassel/Freeman. Not fair.
Do I really need to explain why the Jets need a QB?
Argos. said 12/02, 03:36 PM
My change is the Browns over the Vikings.
Don't get me wrong, the Vikings need a QB upgrade, but their QB situation is not as terrible as Cleveland's, and can come from within.
Minnesota did manage to make the playoffs last year with Christian Ponder. Ponder is only 25, and was a first round pick only three drafts ago. He has shown flashes of being really good in games, for example last year in their must win week 17 game when he had a 120.2 QB rating. He has had 8 career games with a 100+ QB rating in his career. His problem is not so much his arm, but his brain and staring down one WR and forcing throws. That can be improved with time, maybe. He ain't terrible.
They also have Freeman (also only 25) who has had some really nice season (including a full season at age 22 with a 95.9 QB rating) and flashes of being an upper level QB. He even was having a great year last year, until falling off a cliff the final 5 games, and carrying that into 4 games this season. 9 bad games, after having 23 games with a QB rating over 90 in his first 50 games, shouldn't end all hope. It is too small of a sample.
Cassel is a component veteran better than any current Browns QB.
Marlins Fan said 12/03, 12:20 AM
You're forgetting Brian Axel Hoyer. Yes, Axel. Brian Axel ****-ing Hoyer.
As in, Brian Hoyer, the guy who stepped in when old what's his face Weeden got hurt and turned that pathetic Cleveland offense into a tight end-featured juggernaut. Cleveland went undefeated in Hoyer's brief stint as a starter and that may be cause for concern for some folks but at the end of the day Hoyer earned a chance to be the full time starter.
Not only was Hoyer an effective QB as a starter but the Browns in general seemed invigorated and excited. Part of being a QB/team leader is motivating the troops and there's no doubt the Browns were motivated with Hoyer at QB. You can't just draft some guy out of college and ask him to lead a team. See III, Robert Griffin.
Plus you're overrating Ponder. Like last year, sure the Vikings made the playoffs but Ponder didn't lead them there as you claimed; Adrian Peterson led them to the playoffs. Ponder was just along for the ride. Ponder didn't do much to earn that postseason berth.
And regardless, his ship is sunk in Minnesota. The Vikings have already brought in Cassell and Freeman and the writing is on the wall.
It's not Ponder's team.
Argos. said 12/03, 10:52 AM
Hoyer? Is that a joke? He is no ones answer at QB. He has a career completion percentage under 60, and a rating under 80. He is a career backup
Hoyer is 28, and has had one good game in his career, coming this season. He has 4 career starts, and has played significant time in 5 games. In those games, his QB rating goes as: 51.4, 73.8, 68.5, 103.9, 69.8. He is no ones starter
Hoyer is best suited for holding a clipboard. He has no potential at all. When he is playing his best, he is pretty much Matt Cassel
I'm not saying Ponder is great, but he and Freeman have potential to be something
The Browns need a QB, because they have the potential to be a good team next season
They have the #4 ranked defense! As they are top 5 against both the run and pass
On offense, they have some very nice pieces. They have an elite WR who is only 22, Josh Gordon, who is only 50 yards behind Calvin Johnson for the league lead in yards, despite missing 2 games. Greg Little, 24, is probably a 1000 yard receiver with a decent QB, and has endless potential. Jordan Cameron (one of these ex-college basketball playing TE) is 4th amongst TE in yards, with no QB! Plus a good O-line
Marlins Fan said 12/03, 11:19 PM
Naw man, no jokes here.
And while I understand your job as "right" is to counter my arguments I can't help but think you've fallen into the "name brand" trap.
I get it. Nobody heard of Brian Hoyer before this season. Nobody knows where he went to college or whether or not he was even drafted. Many fans are like you and would rather see a QB they are familiar with than a no-name QB who has more talent.
But I don't see it that way. I don't care about whether Hoyer is a sexy name or a complete unknown. All I know is he lit up the scoreboard, motivated his teammates to give maximum effort, and went undefeated in his starts.
Don't pretend it never happened. Sure, NFL fans have 5 minute long attention spans, but NFL GM's don't. Cleveland GM Michael Lombardi remembers the impact Hoyer made, and he would be a fool to ignore it and look elsewhere for a QB.
Cleveland needs a fair amount of help on the roster and the Browns can't afford to waste valuable picks on positions they can fill with in-house talent, assuming said talent has proven their effectiveness like Hoyer has.
Cleveland wont be drafting a QB this year but you can bet your pants the Vikings will.
Argos. said 12/04, 08:15 AM
Still going on about Hoyer? I guess you missed the point. Five games, only twice has he had a QB rating over 70, and only once over 75. He is not good. He didn't light up the scoreboard, strong defensive performances, forcing turnovers, won them the games. He really motivated his team? Ha.
Cleveland can't waste picks on a QB? Really? I guess you missed the part of my argument that told you they had the #4 defense, that is strong against both the run and pass, an elite WR and really good overall receiving core, and a strong O-line. They only have two glaring holes, one at the running back position, and the other at QB.
If they get a QB, the Browns can be a very strong team next season, like how the Chiefs turned things around.
Plus they have the most picks heading into the 2014 draft, with 10, including two first rounders.
Minnesota is the team that can't be wasting picks on a QB, when they have two recent first rounders on their roster with potential and some NFL success. Minnesota is the team that has more holes, with their 30th rank defense, that cannot stop either the run or pass, and is just going to get worse when Allen leaves this off-season.
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