Views
619
Comments
68
  • 12/17/2013, 09:38AM ET

Does Jameis Winston deserve the Heisman?

Mil Town Proud (7-1-2) vs Skeeter666 (1-1-0)
7
Votes
2
Votes
7
Votes
2
Votes


We all know Winston avoided charges in the alleged rape case in Tallahassee, which ensured that he wouldn't face a University imposed suspension. But does that mean Winston was deserving of the Heisman?

For one, I'm sick of hearing that Winston was a shoo-in for the award when the Tallahassee DA decided against bringing charges against Winston. Some of the details that have emerged from the investigation should have received a bit of consideration from the Heisman voters before the ballots were cast.

Let's not confuse the Heisman Trophy with the Maxwell Award or the Walter Camp Award, which are merely competing College Football Player of the Year Awards. The Heisman is a bit different, in that it has a loftier mission statement:

"The Heisman... recognizes the outstanding college football player whose performance best exhibits the pursuit of excellence with intregrity... The Heisman Trust ensures the continuation and integrity of this award. Our goal... is for the Heisman Trophy to symbolize the fostering of a sense of community responsibility and service to our youth..."

Jameis Winston's selection as the Heisman winner is a black eye for the award.


There are people out there think he deserves the heisman. No one deserves the reward from what his play and his stats show. Me personally I think that freshman should not be even qualified for the heisman.

The only thing that I can argue with you is this... Quote from you Jamies Winston selection is a black eye for the award....Johnny manziel didn't last year. It been having a black eye for years. Reggie Bush had to give the award back...so in point no one knows if he was 100 percent deserving of the award...but black eye has been on that trophy for years.

Plus I don't think a lot of players were deserving of it. Plus you can not blame a player off the field issues as the decision of the award...he is 19 I find that impressive what he can do on the field and not a criminal background.. Service to our youth did not say Reggie bush took all that money..

Integrity does not mean media hype of the award and the player it goes too. Tebow won the award media hype. All about the media nothing of what it stands for...


Integrity: to moral and ethical principles; soundness of moral character; honesty

For the full 248 page report: http://tinyurl.com/jw5k34y

Aside from the conflicting stories about the alleged rape, the most troubling aspect I found was the questioning of teammate Chris Casher, who initially claimed he went into the bedroom to prank Winston. In future discussions, Casher claimed he went into the bedroom to see if the women would have sex with him as well, as Winston and Casher had done so numerous times in the past.

Let that sink in, rape investigation aside, the 2013 Heisman winner routinely brought back intoxicated females to have sex with him and his teammate.

Your belief that you cannot blame a player for off-field transgressions is a major problem that big-time collegiate athletics face, it not only creates a dangerous atmosphere around the program (see Penn St), it also gives many of these players an undeserved sense of entitlement.

The players are not held accountable for their actions.

Awarding Jameis Winston the 2013 Heisman is validation for today's youth that winning on the field is all that matters.

Integrity be damned.


First of all I'm not debating about what happened off the field incident I don't care. I look at what the player did on the field. The heisman pretty much is what matters on the field. Jeez I'm not going to read 248 pages on the heisman trophy no one is to know how good of a college football he is during his freshman season.

I'm not going to debate what type of person this guy is. I look and the college football board thought he deserved the award based on his on the field play.

Did he deserve college football did plus he is 19...college football players make mistakes all the time though..

December 17, 2013  10:07 AM ET

haven't read the official reports from the police but MF did and seemed to feel the young man got away with it.

December 17, 2013  10:28 AM ET
QUOTE(#1):

haven't read the official reports from the police but MF did and seemed to feel the young man got away with it.

Essentially it seems like the Prosecuter didn't think he had enough to get a conviction. Quite a bit different thing than actually being innocent.

December 17, 2013  10:50 AM ET
QUOTE(#1):

haven't read the official reports from the police but MF did and seemed to feel the young man got away with it.

I'm gonna need a second or third opinion before I can decide for myself.

December 17, 2013  11:15 AM ET

December 17, 2013  11:18 AM ET

GEORGE ZIMMERMAN IS INNOCENT! LEAVE GEORGE ALONE!

December 17, 2013  12:09 PM ET

i'll take this one in a little while if it's still available

December 17, 2013  04:40 PM ET
QUOTE(#6):

i'll take this one in a little while if it's still available

Too late :^(

December 17, 2013  05:01 PM ET

**** please.......you are making my head hurt.

December 17, 2013  05:15 PM ET

So....Tebow didn't deserve the Heisman?

December 17, 2013  05:17 PM ET
QUOTE(#9):

So....Tebow didn't deserve the Heisman?

I'm not understanding the Manziel reference fully either.

I eagerly anticipate the next 2 arguments.

December 17, 2013  06:11 PM ET

I'm confused.

December 17, 2013  11:09 PM ET

Hard to say this as a FSU fan but the police report strongly indicates Winston raped that girl and in my opinion Gus is right... Jameis winning this year is a black eye on the Heisman.

Football is awesome, especially when your team is doing well. But at the end of the day football is just a game, and games are infinitely less important than morals and ethics.

I feel like rewarding Winston was borderline unethical. Imagine if he really did rape that girl "and her family now has no justice and a country celebrating the alleged perp.

Pretty twisted.

December 17, 2013  11:35 PM ET

this is just awful that this argument rolled this way. Sorry Mil Town. Would've liked to at least have made this competitive

December 17, 2013  11:38 PM ET

They still give o.j Simpson a vote

December 17, 2013  11:38 PM ET
QUOTE(#11):

I'm confused.

Yes, but what do you think of the TD so far?

December 17, 2013  11:41 PM ET
QUOTE(#14):

They still give o.j Simpson a vote

That's a fine point.

December 17, 2013  11:43 PM ET
QUOTE(#13):

this is just awful that this argument rolled this way. Sorry Mil Town. Would've liked to at least have made this competitive

Gus can still screw this up. He could go off on one of his frequent asides about dreamcatchers and leave the door wide open for the guy on the right.

December 18, 2013  07:33 AM ET
QUOTE(#11):

I'm confused.

seems to be a really long winded version of Beefy.

reebasnak dammit!

reebasnak I say and to hell with all of you who would dare disagree with this statement

December 18, 2013  07:33 AM ET
QUOTE(#17):

Gus can still screw this up. He could go off on one of his frequent asides about dreamcatchers and leave the door wide open for the guy on the right.

RACIST!

 
December 18, 2013  07:35 AM ET
QUOTE(#15):

Yes, but what do you think of the TD so far?

not unlike catching the final 30 seconds of a Monty Python skit, you know it was probably pretty funny but you catch yourself saying HUH??

Comment

Remember to keep your posts clean. Profanity will get filtered, and offensive comments will be removed.


Leaderboard

  Fan W L T Win %
1 Darth Maim 76 21 7 76.4%
2 fvkasm2x 193 58 12 75.7%
3 7#bag _ Com 996 338 73 73.4%
4 HOOTZ 33 14 9 67.0%
5 Marlins Fan 156 78 31 64.7%
6 Argos. 183 101 29 63.1%
7 Goodell 2.0 643 429 71 59.4%
8 J-Business 78 66 18 53.7%
9 Highway... 175 847 63 19.0%

The Si.com Cover Hub Go to the Cover Hub

Truth & Rumors

MOST POPULAR

  1. 1
    D'Antoni's newest 'blunder'
    Views
    1462
    Comments
    764
  2. 2
    Irving: Fans don't deserve the Cavs
    Views
    24246
    Comments
    684
  3. 3
    Baseball's top 2015 free agent
    Views
    1448
    Comments
    526
  4. 4
    Red Sox dodged two injury scares
    Views
    3477
    Comments
    504
  5. 5
    The NHL's model franchise?
    Views
    1531
    Comments
    130

Throwdowns

Most Active Users

Comments + Blog Posts + Throwdowns

  1. 1
    Robataille
  2. 2
    ~Mother-Marge~
  3. 3
    TxHeat
  4. 4
    buddhaa.luck
  5. 5
    Deep Creek

Blogs