- 01/27/2014, 03:37AM ET
bostongm 41-22 said 01/27, 03:37 AM
NATHAN HORTON is of course.
Whoever takes this has to make points about why Seguin's better.
1st i'll start off with the stats.....
Horton's career total regular season:
202 goals 207 assists for 409 points
Seguin' career total regular season:
77 goals 92 assists for 169 points
YUP.....Horton has him TOTALLY DOMINATED...Horton has 125 MORE goals and he has 240 MORE points.
Edge ?? Horton of course
Play-off stats now...
Horton: 15 goals and 36 points in 43 games
Seguin: 6 goals and 18 points in 42 games
Edge ?? HORTON OF COURSE
Horton > Seguin
For further proof just look at this season...as soon as Horton came back from his injury his team IMMEDIATELY went 9-2 to climb to rocket to the 8th spot...he took the sad sack Jackets on his shoulders and he's carrying them to the promised land..his mere presence has inspired his troops to fight and claw their way back to respectability.
Seguin's Stars this season are sitting in the 10th spot in the easy Western Conference and are 6 points back of the final play-off spot.
Ay way you slice it, Horton's better, sucka's.
Sir Loin said 01/27, 02:04 PM
The correct answer is: Who cares? Seguin is currently 20th in league scoring, and neither is good enough to make the Canadian Olympic team, so we're arguing about who is better, the guy who is 20th in league scoring (Seguin), or a guy who's only played 11 games this season because he's injury prone and has had too many concussions (Horton).
Of course your comparison of career stats favors Horton - he's 7 years older, and has played more games.
Their career points per game are almost identical: Horton = 0.68, Seguin = 0.67.
Not exactly TOTALLY DOMINATED.
Horton only plays 16 minutes a game. That's not exactly "carrying the team on his shoulders" That's 2nd line minutes, behind RJ Umberger? ouch.
Seguin is a first line center, and gets first line minutes. That alone should tell you who is better.
And somehow the Western conference is easy, even though the CBJs have the same points as Dallas, but are in the Eastern playoff picture, while Dallas is 6 points back?
bostongm 41-22 said 01/28, 01:52 AM
So since Seguin is a 1st line center and he "gets 1st line minutes" he's automatically better then Horton ??? By using that screwed up logic Tyler Bozak is automatically better then Horton too eh since he's Toronto's 1st line center. B-S
Horton > Seguin
For more proof just look at Boston's play-off runs....when he was fully healthy the 2 times Boston went to the Stanley Cup Finals TWICE and captured Lord stanley once..that 1 time he was injured Boston got beat in the 1st round.
For even more proof just look at the play-off stats......Horton was a vital component and a true leader while Seguin was just a spare part playing on the 3rd line........
Horton > Seguin
Off the ice as well...Seguins just a young punk that parties in the play-off's of all times.....while Horton remains a consummate professional.
Seguin's been on the Stars all season and they still suck..Horton meanwhile has just come back from injury and has CARRIED his team on his shoulders and have rocketed up the standings.......
Sir Loin said 01/28, 10:07 AM
Yes, Horton is SO much better than Seguin that the Bruins were willing to let Horton walk away for nothing. They didn't even bother to offer him a contract extension until after the postseason. Why? Because he's injury prone. His numbers are already on the decline, and he's only 28. His career high in points is 62, and that was 6 years ago in Florida.
He's never led his team in scoring. Seguin did that in Boston, and is doing it again in Dallas. Seguin is averaging a point a game in Dallas this year, which is a career high, which is something you want to see out of a young star in only his 4th season.
Horton's never been selected for the all-star game. Seguin did so his rookie year.
Let's compare them to who was in their draft class - since Horton has 7 more years??? experience. Horton was drafted 3rd overall, and has never lived up to being drafted that high. Look at the guys who were drafted after him, and tell me a GM wouldn't give his left one to pick again: Parise, Getzlaf, and Perry were all picked after Horton.
Look at Seguin's draft - there's nobody picked after him who is better. The only guy from that draft class who has more points is Hall, and he was #1.
bostongm 41-22 said 01/29, 01:47 AM
lol who cares which slot the players were taken...we're talking about PRODUCTION....the 2003 draft class will go down as 1 of the deepest ever BTW, but thats besides the point.
Who cares about meaningless All-Star games anyways..the only All-Stars selections that matter are at the end of the season ( 1st or 2nd team All-Stars )
As for the top paragaph Horton wanted out of the lime-light and wanted to build his family in a quiet area...cant fault the Bruins for that. Horton was looking at the bigger picture.
The FACT of the matter is Horton has 100 more goals and 200+ more points...........till Seguin reaches/surpasses those marks..........
Horton > Seguin
Another point is Horton's play IMPROVES greatly when it matters most, the play-off's...while Seguin's play shrinks greatly when it matters most
Horton's PPG in the reg. season: .67 goes to .83 in the play-off's
Seguins PPG in the reg. season: .67 goes to .42 in the play-off's
HORTON > seguin
Sir Loin said 01/29, 09:32 AM
The FACT of the matter is, if your strongest point is comparing career stats on players to determine who is the best, then by your logic, Ron Francis is better than Mario Lemieux, Jeremy Roenick is better than Bobby Hull, and Ray Bourque is better than Bobby Orr. WRONG.
Here's another FACT for you: There's not a single GM who would trade Seguin for Horton straight up. They would definitely make that trade the other way around. Why? Because Seguin is better and makes his linemates better.
And speaking of PRODUCTION, Horton's production is on the downward trend when it should have been going up.
Seguins is already a point-a-game player, in only his 4th year - numbers that Horton has never approached.
As for the all-star game, it's an honor - and it's an honor that's never been bestowed on Horton.
Horton left the Bruins, a team that had been to the finals in 2 out of 3 years - because he wanted out of the limelight? Why would a player leave the best team in the East? He couldn't handle the pressure? Why would any team want a guy who can'd handle being in a hockey city? Horton just wants the paycheck without the pressure
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