- 02/09/2014, 05:07PM ET
Marlins Fan said 02/09, 06:23 PM
Best player in the division and one of the NFL's top players overall. A true joy to watch, even if he's an Eagle.
This guy is as physically gifted as just about anybody in pro sports. Great player and seems to be getting better each year, and hopefully more mature.
Small sample size but if he keeps it up he'll be one of the 5 most important players in the NFL, IMO. Crazy good so far.
A true pro and one of the best tight ends ever. Glad I've caught his whole career.
Health issues aren't going away apparently but the man can really play. Has an incredible nose tor the ball; always in the middle of the action. Always.
Yeah, yeah. Stop hating.
7. Tyron Smith
The rock of an outstanding O line.
9. Mychal Kendricks
Sort of like Lee, always around the ball.
Best all-around DB in the division.
Honorable mention to Evan Mathis, Desean Jackson, Pierre Garcon, Alfred Morris
Wish I could put D Ware on here but he sucks now. Same with RGIII.
Cowboys and Eagles dominated this list.
kalbrecht17 said 02/09, 08:24 PM
1. Shady. there is absolutely no doubt about this one.
2. Dez. agree again. These 2 just have too much talent
3. Jason Peters- there's a reason he's an all pro
4. Evan Mathis- same as above
5. Tyron Smith- another dominant OL
6. Nick Foles- might be premature to put him on here but the small sample size showed him to be fantastic
7. Sean Lee- love his nose for the ball, his heart, just everything about him. everything you'd want in a backer
8. Alfred Morris- despite the dumpster fire that was this year's Skins, he still averaged a gaudy 4.6 YPC
9. Antrel Rolle- the guy is just making plays right now and is playing at his highest level right now; there's a reason he was an all pro 2nd teamer
10. Jason Hatcher- 11 sacks speaks for itself
Honorable mentions: Romo, Amukamura, Boykin, Dan Bailey (lol), Witten for the sake of his longevity and career, but he's on the decline right now, same w/ Ware.
Marlins Fan said 02/10, 03:23 AM
Lots of changes which is always welcome but also makes for somewhat convoluted arguments. I'll try to keep everything making sense here as much as I can.
One of my issues with your list is the inclusion of Evan Mathis. I agree that he's a great player; he's possibly the most dominant at his position of all the O linemen we mentioned.
But he's a guard, and according to popular NFL rhetoric guard is an easier position to play than tackle. Which is why I felt compelled to leave Mathis off the list in favor of a pair of left tackles, which is the hardest or most challenging of the five O line positions.
Even if Mathis deserved to make the list #4 just seems too high for a guard. You even have Mathis above guys like...
Nick Foles, who is too low on your list. Foles was one of the NFL's very best players over the majority of the season's second half and sixth seems too low, especially when it's after a run of three offensive linemen from 3-5.
I guess a lot of people either didn't really notice or Foles dominance or don't but his ability to sustain that level of play but I do. Foles is a top three player in the division.
Dude. You left off Romo.
kalbrecht17 said 02/10, 11:28 AM
Mathis is on there b/c, yeah guard is an easier position to play, but in Philly's offense the guy has to do it all and not many could. Philly pulls all the time which he is phenomenal at, he's still great in pass protection, he blocks 2 (chip and move up levels) guys many times which is crucial for success in their ground game. Not many guys in the entire world, let alone in the sport, have his combo of speed, size, power, and quickness. that's why he's #4.
Trust me. i'm a huge Foles fan. Rode him to fantasy glory this year. Saying he's a top 10 guy in the entire division is allowable, but to already proclaim him top 3 is pretty drastic considering his total body of work. I agree the talent is there, but that Dallas game still lingers in my mind.
Romo is at 11. Not too big of a stretch if you ask me.
Kendricks just isn't quite there mentally, as he's admitted, to be considered top 10 yet. freak athletically but not top 10 yet.
Witten belongs no where in the convo of top 10 current guys. He's past his prime right now. yeah he gets his catches but when you have to cover the Dallas wr's on the outside, i'd hope to god you're open
Marlins Fan said 02/11, 01:45 AM
I also rode Foles to fantasy glory in the WLII league so I can appreciate your appreciation for Foles. Macho and Un may also have ridden Foles but probably not to anything glorious, although there is a bad joke in there that I won't mention because I don't want this TD getting deleted.
I feel like my current style of debating is wasting characters so I'm gonna hit your list #twitterstyle real quick.
1. McCoy #samechoice #goodcall
2. Bryant #seenumber1
3. Peters #littletoohigh #stilldecentpick
4. Mathis #aguardlol #waytoohigh
5. Smith #closeenough
6. Foles #underrated #realdeal #toolow
7. Lee #closeenough
8. Morris #systemback #garbagetimeyards #notimpressed
9. Rolle #probablybetterthanPrince #youwinthisone
10. Hatcher #ImokwithHatcherat10
Hopefully I did that right and hopefully it made sense. Just wanted to make sure I didn't miss anyone even if it meant hashtags and twitter bullsway.
You're underrating Witten. Last year his numbers were down because Jerry wanted to go all New England and forced Garrett to try a two tight end base offense by drafting Gavin Escobar. Witten still finished 2013 with 73 rec, 851 yards, 8 TDs despite a reduced role.
kalbrecht17 said 02/11, 12:40 PM
Alright #twitstyle is is
1. McCoy #same #nicebro
2. Bryant #freakathlete = #samechoice
3. Foles #couldbeaHOFer #givemeonemoreyearfirst
4. Witten #overrated #outskirttop10
5. Lee #inthesamearea
6. Romo #bestplayersdontfoldupshop
7. Smith #sameareacode
8. Williams #dudeisstellar #noprobwithhimhere
9. Kendricks #freakathlete #notyetstudentofgame #overvaluedfornow
10. Amukamura #lolwut #HowIsHeThisHighAndHigherThanRolleWhoIsABetterDBOnHisOwnTeam #ThisIsHowYouHashtagLikeABoss
I'm not underrating Witten at all. The guy is on the downswing of his incredible career. This is a current award, not for what he's done in the past. He's been productive like always, but there's a reason they're starting to go 2 TE and it has to do with seeing there will be a need there shortly. and Escobar had 9 catches for 134 yds. He wasn't the reason for Witten's drop. Dez is beasting, Murray's taking check downs, Beasley and Williams are getting quick hitters. Dallas has realized that going to Witten over and over isn't their best option right now as he's just not the guy he used to be. Utilizing him in smaller samples leaves him more open when they need him.
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