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  • 02/09/2014, 05:07PM ET

Top 10 NFC East players, current. All positions.

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1.LeSean McCoy

Best player in the division and one of the NFL's top players overall. A true joy to watch, even if he's an Eagle.

2.Dez Bryant

This guy is as physically gifted as just about anybody in pro sports. Great player and seems to be getting better each year, and hopefully more mature.

3.Nick Foles

Small sample size but if he keeps it up he'll be one of the 5 most important players in the NFL, IMO. Crazy good so far.

4.Jason Witten

A true pro and one of the best tight ends ever. Glad I've caught his whole career.

5.Sean Lee

Health issues aren't going away apparently but the man can really play. Has an incredible nose tor the ball; always in the middle of the action. Always.

6.Tony Romo

Yeah, yeah. Stop hating.

7. Tyron Smith

The rock of an outstanding O line.

8.Trent Williams

Dominant tackle.

9. Mychal Kendricks

Sort of like Lee, always around the ball.

10.Prince Amukamara

Best all-around DB in the division.



Honorable mention to Evan Mathis, Desean Jackson, Pierre Garcon, Alfred Morris

Wish I could put D Ware on here but he sucks now. Same with RGIII.

Cowboys and Eagles dominated this list.


1. Shady. there is absolutely no doubt about this one.
2. Dez. agree again. These 2 just have too much talent
3. Jason Peters- there's a reason he's an all pro
4. Evan Mathis- same as above
5. Tyron Smith- another dominant OL
6. Nick Foles- might be premature to put him on here but the small sample size showed him to be fantastic
7. Sean Lee- love his nose for the ball, his heart, just everything about him. everything you'd want in a backer
8. Alfred Morris- despite the dumpster fire that was this year's Skins, he still averaged a gaudy 4.6 YPC
9. Antrel Rolle- the guy is just making plays right now and is playing at his highest level right now; there's a reason he was an all pro 2nd teamer
10. Jason Hatcher- 11 sacks speaks for itself

Honorable mentions: Romo, Amukamura, Boykin, Dan Bailey (lol), Witten for the sake of his longevity and career, but he's on the decline right now, same w/ Ware.


Lots of changes which is always welcome but also makes for somewhat convoluted arguments. I'll try to keep everything making sense here as much as I can.

One of my issues with your list is the inclusion of Evan Mathis. I agree that he's a great player; he's possibly the most dominant at his position of all the O linemen we mentioned.

But he's a guard, and according to popular NFL rhetoric guard is an easier position to play than tackle. Which is why I felt compelled to leave Mathis off the list in favor of a pair of left tackles, which is the hardest or most challenging of the five O line positions.

Even if Mathis deserved to make the list #4 just seems too high for a guard. You even have Mathis above guys like...

Nick Foles, who is too low on your list. Foles was one of the NFL's very best players over the majority of the season's second half and sixth seems too low, especially when it's after a run of three offensive linemen from 3-5.

I guess a lot of people either didn't really notice or Foles dominance or don't but his ability to sustain that level of play but I do. Foles is a top three player in the division.

Dude. You left off Romo.

How?


Quick refuting.

Mathis is on there b/c, yeah guard is an easier position to play, but in Philly's offense the guy has to do it all and not many could. Philly pulls all the time which he is phenomenal at, he's still great in pass protection, he blocks 2 (chip and move up levels) guys many times which is crucial for success in their ground game. Not many guys in the entire world, let alone in the sport, have his combo of speed, size, power, and quickness. that's why he's #4.

Trust me. i'm a huge Foles fan. Rode him to fantasy glory this year. Saying he's a top 10 guy in the entire division is allowable, but to already proclaim him top 3 is pretty drastic considering his total body of work. I agree the talent is there, but that Dallas game still lingers in my mind.

Romo is at 11. Not too big of a stretch if you ask me.

Kendricks just isn't quite there mentally, as he's admitted, to be considered top 10 yet. freak athletically but not top 10 yet.

Witten belongs no where in the convo of top 10 current guys. He's past his prime right now. yeah he gets his catches but when you have to cover the Dallas wr's on the outside, i'd hope to god you're open


I also rode Foles to fantasy glory in the WLII league so I can appreciate your appreciation for Foles. Macho and Un may also have ridden Foles but probably not to anything glorious, although there is a bad joke in there that I won't mention because I don't want this TD getting deleted.

I feel like my current style of debating is wasting characters so I'm gonna hit your list #twitterstyle real quick.

1. McCoy #samechoice #goodcall
2. Bryant #seenumber1
3. Peters #littletoohigh #stilldecentpick
4. Mathis #aguardlol #waytoohigh
5. Smith #closeenough
6. Foles #underrated #realdeal #toolow
7. Lee #closeenough
8. Morris #systemback #garbagetimeyards #notimpressed
9. Rolle #probablybetterthanPrince #youwinthisone
10. Hatcher #ImokwithHatcherat10

Hopefully I did that right and hopefully it made sense. Just wanted to make sure I didn't miss anyone even if it meant hashtags and twitter bullsway.


You're underrating Witten. Last year his numbers were down because Jerry wanted to go all New England and forced Garrett to try a two tight end base offense by drafting Gavin Escobar. Witten still finished 2013 with 73 rec, 851 yards, 8 TDs despite a reduced role.


Alright #twitstyle is is

1. McCoy #same #nicebro
2. Bryant #freakathlete = #samechoice
3. Foles #couldbeaHOFer #givemeonemoreyearfirst
4. Witten #overrated #outskirttop10
5. Lee #inthesamearea
6. Romo #bestplayersdontfoldupshop
7. Smith #sameareacode
8. Williams #dudeisstellar #noprobwithhimhere
9. Kendricks #freakathlete #notyetstudentofgame #overvaluedfornow
10. Amukamura #lolwut #HowIsHeThisHighAndHigherThanRolleWhoIsABetterDBOnHisOwnTeam #ThisIsHowYouHashtagLikeABoss

I'm not underrating Witten at all. The guy is on the downswing of his incredible career. This is a current award, not for what he's done in the past. He's been productive like always, but there's a reason they're starting to go 2 TE and it has to do with seeing there will be a need there shortly. and Escobar had 9 catches for 134 yds. He wasn't the reason for Witten's drop. Dez is beasting, Murray's taking check downs, Beasley and Williams are getting quick hitters. Dallas has realized that going to Witten over and over isn't their best option right now as he's just not the guy he used to be. Utilizing him in smaller samples leaves him more open when they need him.

February 9, 2014  05:09 PM ET

Gonna list the ten best players from the NFC East in the first arg and then debate my list vs. yours in subsequent arguments. Any positions, all current players.

Anybody interested? I'll have an argument posted shortly.

February 9, 2014  05:10 PM ET

If folks are interested in the topic and if the debate is as fun as I anticipate I'll probably do a TD like this for each division soon.

February 9, 2014  05:46 PM ET
QUOTE(#2):

If folks are interested in the topic and if the debate is as fun as I anticipate I'll probably do a TD like this for each division soon.

I'd do NFC West when you get to it.

February 9, 2014  05:47 PM ET
QUOTE(#3):

I'd do NFC West when you get to it.

I wanted that one!

February 9, 2014  05:50 PM ET
QUOTE(#3):

I'd do NFC West when you get to it.

Yes sir, you got it boss!

February 9, 2014  05:50 PM ET
QUOTE(#4):

I wanted that one!

Well you're just gonna have to battle it out with Nerby.

Lol.

February 9, 2014  05:55 PM ET
QUOTE(#6):

Well you're just gonna have to battle it out with Nerby.Lol.

2 one legged men in a butt kicking competition?

February 9, 2014  06:23 PM ET
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2 one legged men in a butt kicking competition?

Hehe, yep.

February 9, 2014  06:23 PM ET

My friggin argument wont post!!

February 9, 2014  06:24 PM ET
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My friggin argument wont post!!

Finally...

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February 9, 2014  08:26 PM ET

good luck MF

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February 9, 2014  09:54 PM ET

10.Prince Amukamara

Best all-around DB in the division.


Amukamara? I haven't seen that guy do anything in the NFL that merited his draft hype.

I'd take Brandon Carr, Brandon Boykin and DeAngelo Hall before I'd take Amukamara. Defensive backs in general, I'd also throw in Antrel Rolle.

February 9, 2014  11:18 PM ET

Can I get Dibs for NFC South?

February 10, 2014  01:37 AM ET
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Can I get Dibs for NFC South?

Yes sir.

February 10, 2014  01:44 AM ET
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Amukamara? I haven't seen that guy do anything in the NFL that merited his draft hype.

I'd take Brandon Carr, Brandon Boykin and DeAngelo Hall before I'd take Amukamara. Defensive backs in general, I'd also throw in Antrel Rolle.

Amukamara easily had his beat session in 2013 both defending the pass and just as a defender in general, helping in run support and doing a good job with sound tackling even against larger opponents.

That's why I picked him; his all around game.

Considered Boykin but he's just a slot corner at this point, although that's not to say he's not capable of more, just hasn't proven it yet.

Brandon Carr was an abomination this year and DeAngelo Hall is crazy inconsistent IMO, plus he's a raging dew bag and never stood a chance of making my list simply because I hate him almost as much as I hate Desean Jackson, and that's saying something.

February 10, 2014  01:47 AM ET

season*

February 10, 2014  10:14 AM ET
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Which is why I felt compelled to leave Mathis off the list in favor of a pair of left tackles, which is the hardest or most challenging of the five O line positions.

Point of Order.

If your QB is left handed (Say, like Vick) then the blindside flips to the Right Tackle.

 
February 10, 2014  11:06 AM ET

i'll take the nfc north also if possible

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