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Its tough to say because the SEC is sooo highly hyped they can still be very good and be overhyped.

Wbcincy | 10/31/07, 02:17 AM

tradeangelos, before I vote, I'd like to see your counter for which conference is more overhyped. You argue against the SEC, but to say they arent the most overhyped, you have to at least name one that is overhyped more.

Wbcincy | 10/31/07, 02:18 AM

The SEC isn't overrated. They only have so many losses because they are beating each other. Pick any two teams in the SEC and I guarantee you can't decide which team will blowout the other. You never know. Even one of our worst teams (Vanderbilt) unexpectedly beat a top SEC Team. No game is given in the SEC so we beat each other up and by the end of Conference play whoever is still healthy and survives the onslaught will be SEC champions, which normally catapults them into the National Championship. Also SEC every year pans out to the closest we've seen of a playoff system in NCAA Football.

T1g3rN@t10nLSU#1 | 10/31/07, 02:48 AM

Losses should matter. If you are ranked, you should be able to reliably beat lesser teams. Every year there are great teams from other conferences that trip up and drop or compltely exit the polls. i don't see why the SEC should get a pass unless they prove they are overwhelming on the field. I don't see why this is a huge issue.

PROVE IT picked his claim well. He isn't saying the SEC isn't good. He isn't even making the claim they aren't the best (he claims there isn't enough inter play for anyone to make that claim).

He is just saying the SEC isn't so overwhelming that they deserve to have losses overlooked in comparison to teams from other conferences. At 5-5 and nearly 3-7 in inter conference play, its tough to argue against, unless you think losses shouldn't matter (whch may be the case if you are a pro scout).

If the SEC is really so good, schedule the games, run up a reacord against the "Easy" teams from the other major conferences, and populate the polls before you play your conference games.

I couldn't find a past schedule, but I did dig up an interesting stat - in recent bowl games, the SEC is 18-16. Not a bad record, but again not the type of record to make the claim the pollsters should overlook losses.

I hate Pro Athletes | 10/31/07, 04:09 AM

Bowl records are hard to judge when more than half do not mean anything. It is sad that we place so much emphasis on the bowl wins we forget that it is mainly a vacation and a lot of times coaches will even put in players for next year to get some playing time and experience. They are also likely to hold someone out with a minor injury in fear of them getting hurt and jeopardizing their spring or next year. The only bowls that really matter are the BCS and sometimes the rest of the new year's day bowl, but sometimes those new year's day bowls don't even look that important to win. You could say that it is a pedestal to get a high ranking the next year, but I mean that can't be true look how Michigan was #5 preseason.

Just A Fan | 10/31/07, 08:40 AM

wasn't this TD JUST done...like yesterday or the day before?

Jimmer69 IS Darth Caedus! | 10/31/07, 08:55 AM

boring................seen it 10 thousand times this year....................

xxx84xxx | 10/31/07, 10:23 AM

see TD done 2 days ago, there was another TD done a day or 2 before that about the same topic...
http://www.fannation.com/throwdowns/show/71604
We will find out how overrated the SEC is at the end of the season when the bowls start. Until then, give it a rest and stop being so damn relous!

Jagator | 10/31/07, 10:43 AM

TradeAngelos, what is your argument saying...south florida sucks, west virginia is overrated, florida state sucks, cal has been proven to be a joke, missouri is the only resonable team on that list.

you are proving that the acc is the toughest due to having to play tougher teams, well except wyoming

LO603 | 10/31/07, 11:43 AM

when the bottom of the big ten upsets the top of the big ten it is because the big ten is weak.

when the bottom of the sec upsets the top of the sec it is because the sec is so tough.

nice logic T1g3rN@t10nLSU#1

when vandy beats a top sec team it is because the conference is overrated not tough. bring vandy to the big ten they still would be a bottom feeder along with ole miss you upset the highly overrate kentucky wildcats

sec is a joke they are no better and no worse than the big ten and pac 10

LO603 | 10/31/07, 11:49 AM

SEC haters... that is all I see. If the SEC wasn't talked about so much (and didn't beat homers teams so often) no one would care about saying overrated. Any team would have a really tough time in that conference. Vandy is the worst team in the conference, usually, and still comes to play. It just shows that the rivalries never stop... and the same teams don't take the conference every year.

kelbelxoxo | 10/31/07, 02:56 PM

"sec is a joke they are no better and no worse than the big ten and pac 10"

-LO603

So, NCAA football's top three best (supposed) conferences are all jokes? Do you even like college football?

kelbelxoxo | 10/31/07, 02:59 PM

Sorry, by best I mean most talked about/most debated.

kelbelxoxo | 10/31/07, 02:59 PM

the hype surounding the sec is a joke they are no better, no worse than the pac 10 or big ten...sorry i didnt realize i had to elaborate so much for you to understand.

LO603 | 10/31/07, 03:59 PM

Sorry dudes, didn't realize until after I posted this had been previously discussed (forgive me, I attended public schools).

Adding some direct comments (ran out of characters above)

T1g3rN@t10nLSU#1 - so you want credit for losses AND wins?

LO603 - I am old enough to remember when they were saying the Big 10 was beating each up other in the conference in the 80s, preventing them from winning a Championship. I didn't but it for the Big 10 then, I don't buy it for the SEC now - if you are a National Championship team, you should be able to reliably beat lesser teams.

There is a lot more to winning a national Championship than just fielding the best athletes, not the least of which is winning out against not only the good teams, but showing up every week to paly your best, beating average and lesser teams who are preparing for their gasme against you like it is their most important game of the season.

kelbelxoxo - I am not an SEC hater, I just think they haven't earned the right to have teams rated over others with fewer losses. If youwant to judge if they are over rated ibn the bowl games, it isn't the overall record that matters as much as the number of upset wins vs. the number of upset losses based on their ranking - if a conference has few upset wins and several upset losses, then their ranking in the polls was too high - this isn't based on jargon, it is based on the trues test - did they show it on the field.

Rest - not trying to rank the conferences - in fact I say they don't play enough inter conference games or have a conference with such a strong inter conference record that you can make this decision on the only factor that counts - wins vs. losses. Swap a win with a loss or vice versa, and every conference could find themselves with a 500 or worse record.

if someone wanted to say the SEC deserves some credit, like having LSU top of the 1 loss teams but behind the undefeateds, or Alabama and Georgia ahead of the other 2 loss teams but behind the 1 loss teams, I culdn't argue for this any more than i could argue against it - but its another thing to forgive a loss unless you have compiled an overwhelming record against the other major conferences.

Prove It | 10/31/07, 11:20 PM

You cant look at the bowl schedule bc of how its set up. For example. Last year the # 2 Big 12 team played the # 4 SEC team. The majority of the SEC bowl games are like that. And for them to have a winning record is pretty good

Spak- Appy state is victim 1 | 11/01/07, 12:13 AM

i love the double standard with the conf losses, makes me glad to be part of such a unbiased sports nation. If Minn had beaten OSU, I wouldn't start screaming how that makes the Big 10 amazing and how good the conf is top to bottom. No I would be screaming about how much OSU blew it against a **** team. Minn is aweful, plain old aweful, but so is Ole Miss. I just don't see the "forgiving losses" idea.

rampageripster | 11/01/07, 12:18 AM

Ole Miss has a lot of talent. The problem is that Orgeron is a glorified recruiting coordinator. Give that squad a good x's and o's coach and they could be a surprise next year.

TradeAngelos | 11/01/07, 12:24 AM

Ole Miss has a lot of talent. The problem is that Orgeron is a glorified recruiting coordinator. Give that squad a good x's and o's coach and they could be a surprise next year.

TradeAngelos | 11/01/07


Yes, and their in state counter part is just the opposite. A great x's and o's guy but a horrible recruiter

Spak- Appy state is victim 1 | 11/01/07, 01:00 AM

spak says bring on saban!!! - If I were going to use the bowls to determine if a conference is overrated, I would be looking at the standings of the conference teams going into the bowl game - if you were ranked higher and won, or was about even (say #5 vs. #6) and you won a close game, the result was expected and you were't overrated (don't expect the pollsters to be able to differentiate between say #15 and #16). If you were ranked substantially higher (say #5 vs. #15) and you lost, you were overrated against at least 1 team. It is tough to evaluate on 1 game, but apply this across an entire conference and you get a decent profile (interestingly enough, if you do this most years, you see the conferences perform about as expected give or take a game (# of upset wins approx. the same as upset losses).

I would elaborate more, but that is a throwdown for the end of the season, and I am not about to expand the argument and chase down the stats for the last several years.

Prove It | 11/01/07, 01:11 AM