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  • November 11, 2007 03:31 PM ET

Gold Glove- Brandon Phillips should have won the Gold Glove for NL 2nd Basemen not Orlando Hudson

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I think that Brandon Phillips of the Reds should have won the Gold Glove for the N.L 2nd Basemen and not Orlando Hudson. This is why.

Phillips had a .990% compared to Hudson having a .985%. Phillips had 8 errors and Hudson has 10 errors.

Phillips turned 113 double plays and Hudson only turned 96 double plays. Phillips had 341 putouts and Hudson had 258 putouts. Phillips had 433 assists and Hudson had 387 assists.

Phillips had a range factor of 5.08 and Hudson had a range factor of 4.91. Also Phillips has a little more speed than Hudson, so he can get to the ball quicker.

So I do not understand why Phillips did not win the Gold Glove over Hudson, but if you think that Hudson should have won it than come on and accept this throwdown.

Phillips had more chances and innings and games than Hudson. So Phillips might have been more tired than Hudson, so it would have been harder for him to play defense making it that more incredible for what he did at 2nd base

There will be more of these throwdowns where i disagree with a Gold Glove pick, so stay tuned and watch out for the throwdowns.


I disagree with the Gold Glove Selection, and Phillyman. I think Chase Utley should have a case to win more than Hudson or Phillips did. He had a .985 fielding percentage, turned 85 double plays(less than both of them I know), had a range factor of 5.10, had 289 putouts, and 372 assists. His stats are up there with both of them, and some of his catches this year have been phenomenal in pressure situations. He's always alert, and if you watch these three players, I definitely think that he would be a lock for the award.


Utley is a good choice, but Phillips had a better year defensively.

Fielding Percentage
Phillips- .990
Utley- .985

Errors
Philips- 8
Utley- 10

Putouts
Phillips- 341
Utley- 289

Assists
Phillips- 433
Utley- 372

Double Plays Turned
Phillips- 113
Utley- 85

RF
Phillips- 5.08
Utley- 5.10

Phillips played more innings and games than Utley which would make Phillips more tired, so it is more impressive when you play that many innings and still have good defensive numbers. It would make him tired which makes it harder to run and throw and dive and all of that.

It looks like Phillips had a better season than Utley if you judge by the numbers. Utley could play bad defense at times, that is where the 10 errors came from and this is more than Phillips despite less innings from Utley.

Phillips beats him in every thing except for Range Factor and Utley only had a .2 better range factor than Phillips.

So in the end I think that Phillips deserves the award more than Utley and Hudson, but here I will argue against Utley since you chose him and Phillips deserves it more than him also.

Utley would not be a lock for the award.


That may be an overstatement. Stats do play a big part, but they are certainly not all that goes into it. Utley missed time because of a hand injury, and came back stronger defensively and at the plate which shows his toughness and resolve. Phillips is a great 2ndbaseman. But he gets the edge in stats because Utley missed about a month. And the stats of Phillips are padded because he played more games. Yeah, you get tired if you play more games obviously because the season wears on. Players complain but when they lose in the postseason no one is using fatigue as an excuse, so it shouldn't be used for a player.


Unlike basketball where every night you are traveling not every 3 or 4 days but every night about. And you are running down the hardwood constantly all night. In baseball, the ball comes your way, you might every once in a while have to dive or make a hard throw but that shouldn't impact this award much and the people who vote didnt consider it.


And the pressure that was on Utley while playing on a winning team chasing the Mets makes his stats that much better. 1 wrong move and you could lose the game and the season. As 2bman of the Reds, not much pressure there.


Phillips did not just have better stats because he played more innings than Utley. It helped, but it is not all because of playing more innings than Utley. Utley had 2 more errors than Phillips despite playing a lot less than Phillips. So what you said is not all true because of that.

I never said that it is an excuse for Phillips, I said that he could have gotten tired and it makes it harder to make plays. It cannot be an excuse because Phillips had a great season. In baseball you play every day and in basketball you play every 2, 3, or 4 days. Basketball is not in this throwdown, so I do not know why you brung it up.

How are stats an overstatement? They are a good way of judging how well a player played during the season. As some people say Baseball is a game of numbers.

If you look at the numbers and comparison in the 2nd argument, I think you can see that Phillips had a better season in the field. That is my opinion, but the numbers do not lie.

You said that 1 wrong move could lose the game and that is true and Utley had a better chance to make that wrong move in the field to lose the game.


I didnt say stats were an overstatement. I said he would be a lock....that's an overstatement. And every game is a game of numbers somehow. And because Utley had a better chance to make that wrong move, but didn't...that's what makes his case stronger. The numbers don't lie, but they are not all that go into once again. And an error doesn't always mean a bone head play. Sometimes the error was a high ball that Hattenburg playing first could get to, whereas Ryan Howard obviously is not at that same level of athleticism and a routine throw could be made into an error on Utley's part. These things have to be considered as well.

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November 11, 2007  06:08 PM ET
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Dude, the biggest injustices in the GG this year are Tulowitzki and Helton not winning...by far the best at their positions in the NL and in Tulowitszki's case, the best SS in baseball...

November 11, 2007  07:48 PM ET
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Tulo! Tulo!

November 11, 2007  08:02 PM ET
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Jim L has a point.

November 12, 2007  03:20 PM ET
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Anthony gets the vote. Phillips isnt even close to Utley.

November 12, 2007  03:21 PM ET
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Anthony gets the vote. Phillips isnt even close to Utley.

November 12, 2007  03:21 PM ET
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remember, utley was hurt..so he could have more put outs, assists, and DP's

November 12, 2007  03:24 PM ET
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i know, but phillips played better, i do not understand this

November 12, 2007  03:58 PM ET
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You don't know if he would have had a good month where he was hurt, but you do know that Phillips did because he played all the games pretty much.

Also Utley has made more errors than Phillips in way less chances, isn't that what fielding is? Making the plays when they come to you. Phillips did that better than Utley did. Therefore, he should win the Gold Glove.

Do i hear a rebuttle?

November 12, 2007  04:40 PM ET
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When Mike Hart was injured could we say we had no idea he was going to have a good month? so did everyone toss him out of the Heisman vote? No, they acknowledged the fact he was injured and knew his overall body of work was good. And I hope you werent waiting for this from me. I put my argument in the three boxes. And if you were waiting for the rebuttle for stecky, I might have made his point for him.

November 12, 2007  04:41 PM ET
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When Mike Hart was injured could we say we had no idea he was going to have a good month? so did everyone toss him out of the Heisman vote? No, they acknowledged the fact he was injured and knew his overall body of work was good. And I hope you werent waiting for this from me. I put my argument in the three boxes. And if you were waiting for the rebuttle for stecky, I might have made his point for him.

November 12, 2007  10:30 PM ET
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Brandon Phillips had a better year defensively then Orlando Hudson and deserved the Gold Glove also.

November 12, 2007  10:53 PM ET
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Phillyman gets the vote because this is a defensive award and Phillips had a better defensive year.

November 12, 2007  11:12 PM ET
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no doubt utleys the better player, but phillips is better defensively. if he played for the yankees or another publicly broadcasted team, **** get praised for his glovework, its insane

November 12, 2007  11:13 PM ET
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no doubt utleys the better player, but phillips is better defensively. if he played for the yankees or another publicly broadcasted team, **** get praised for his glovework, its insane

November 13, 2007  03:15 PM ET
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dang so close

 
November 13, 2007  03:28 PM ET
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its close, but i would have to give it to phillips. too late to vote though

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