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  • November 16, 2007 11:22 AM ET

The Knicks should have fired Isiah a long time ago

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There was no reason for them to sign him to contract extension anyways.

What franchise gives a coach a contract extension for being on the bubble to make the playoffs?

It also would have help his chances of staying if he would have got rid of Stephan Marbury a lot earlier on. He's never been a winner.


The Knicks didn't fire him because they attributed credit for any of Isaiah's immediate trouble transitioning from the front office to the coach to Larry Brown. He got the benefit of the doubt at the time because he was still recovering from the "Larry Brown" experiment.

He should've been fired from his front office position a long time ago, but he shouldn't have been fired the moment they allowed him to take over the coaching responsibility. That bought him some more time with Dolan and company.


Since Isiah's arrival in NY, he has yet to show any semblance of being a good coach (or good executive for that matter), let alone great.

The Knicks record since Isiah became the Knicks President (2003-present) 130-205

The loan playoff appearance was back when your boy Larry Brown was Head Coach. They should have released Stephan and kept Larry Brown during these rebuilding years.


You can't combine Isiah's ineptness as President with his coaching stint in his overall review UNLESS you also then give him credit for that playoff appearance because he was still president at the time.

The Stephan Marbury trade was an attempt to spark the team in a market where Marbury grew up. The ownership deserve as much fault in that particular venture as Isaiah. Dolan dishes out a lot of money compared to many of the teams in the NBA due to the market they're in. They're analogous to the Yankees in that they get caught in big contracts with so so players because of the nature of the superstars they acquire. (i.e. Giambi, Bernie Williams in his last year at 12 million as a part time DH).

The Marbury acquisition was a risk and one that they are stuck with. As inept as Isaiah has been as executive, he was not fired solely because he was moved to coach and that bought him more time. HE should however RELINQUISH his front office duties.

For the record, they did release Larry Brown 1 year into a 3 year contract. They also owed him and I believe are paying him still for the final year of that deal despite firing him.


That one playoff appearance, came during a sub .500 year (39-43) and they were swept in the first round so lets give him credit for that too.

Lets not forget his track record of coaching Indiana (3 first round exits) and how is also ran a whole leagues into the ground (the CBA).


First, Isaiah's stint with the CBA was actually an initiative to save the CBA at a time where it was near collapsing. He led the investment group that tried to resurrect the CBA, but was unsuccessful. He's the scapegoat for the league's demise even though it was on its way down and his presence was merely an attempt to save it.

One of the main reasons the CBA initially folded is because the NBA abandoned using them as their developmental league which was a longstanding practice in favor of their new NBA Developmental League that was started in 2001 (coincidentally the same time as the CBA folded).

While in Indiana, he was also stuck with a roster full of a veteran on his way out (Reggie Miller) and a bunch of young guys at the time ni Jermaine O'Neal, Tinsley, and Croshere. He was stuck with what Larry Byrd had left him in his failed stint as coach for the Pacers.

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November 16, 2007  12:11 PM ET
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Larry Brown wouldn't have helped the Knicks. All he did was shuffle lineups and play jedi mind tricks on the players. He was a bad coach for this team. I am not calling LB a bad coach on the whole, but he wasn't the right guy for the Knicks.

I voted for Chinny because Isiah deserved the benefit of the doubt. However, now that he has proven that HE is not the right coach for this team either he should be canned.

November 16, 2007  12:33 PM ET
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There's no getting around Isiah's horrendous job that he's done with this team. The Steph deal wasn't a bad deal at the time. In fact it brought instant credibility back to a fledgling franchise. Other than that, he's basically ruined this team for the next decade. He should have shed the monster contracts and rebuilt this team in the draft. This is a half-**** job by a half-**** coach and GM. Isiah is nothing more than an excellent talent evaluator, and that's where his job should be.

November 16, 2007  12:45 PM ET
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As a coach, Isiah was one heck of a player.

 
November 16, 2007  01:31 PM ET
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Isiah made the mess that is the Knicks today, and he has been a complete joke.

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